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Five Red Herrings (Lord Peter Wimsey Mysteries #6)
The body was on the pointed rocks alongside the stream. The artist might have fallen from the cliff where he was painting, but there are too many suspicious elements - particularly the medical evidence that proves he'd been dead nearly half a day, though eyewitnesses had seen him alive a scant hour earlier. And then there are the six prime suspects - all of them artists, a...more
Paperback, 354 pages
Published
October 1st 1995
by HarperTorch
(first published 1931)
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Where I got the book: purchased (used) on Amazon. Continuing my Lord Peter Wimsey re-read.
Ah, the Wimsey book I never liked. I like it better now, but I still think it lacks something of the other books. Wimsey is in Scotland, presumably getting away from it all (it, by now, meaning Harriet Vane, who was in the last book). Somewhat incongruously, he is hanging out in an artists' community, when one of the painters, an argumentative bugger called Campbell, is found dead. And Wimsey immediately kn...more
Ah, the Wimsey book I never liked. I like it better now, but I still think it lacks something of the other books. Wimsey is in Scotland, presumably getting away from it all (it, by now, meaning Harriet Vane, who was in the last book). Somewhat incongruously, he is hanging out in an artists' community, when one of the painters, an argumentative bugger called Campbell, is found dead. And Wimsey immediately kn...more
Bunter's delivery is compared to The Castle of Otranto. I'm going to have to read that.
As a whole, the book is very like a logic puzzle: lots of train tables, and six different suspects, all of whom are painters, and tons of working out routes. And the ALIBI is the thing compelling the complex scene-setting of the murder, to my amusement, because who ever worries about alibis in real life?
No doubt many would be offended by the Scottish dialect as written (since the assumption is that the English...more
As a whole, the book is very like a logic puzzle: lots of train tables, and six different suspects, all of whom are painters, and tons of working out routes. And the ALIBI is the thing compelling the complex scene-setting of the murder, to my amusement, because who ever worries about alibis in real life?
No doubt many would be offended by the Scottish dialect as written (since the assumption is that the English...more
Meh. I am told Sayers wrote this at a time when railroad timetable mysteries were popular, just to prove she could. I believe it. Basically, the first half of the book features Lord Peter and all the policemen going through all the permutations of Scotland's mindboggling train schedule, as well as six suspects who are barely distinguishable from each other. During the second half, the plot really picks up, and we finally get a little characterisation of each of the suspects, as well as some much...more
Lately I've been reading a lot of mysteries. They are a fun way of spending an evening at home when there is nothing good to watch and the secondary literature in my academic discipline begins to seem a little tedious. *The Five Red Herrings* is a fine example of the genre. Unlike other Dorothy Sayers books, the mystery was done in the form of character sketches: every chapter focused on a single character, and the chapters were even named after the theme character, and the style of writing chan...more
read during my AIG Years
I Remember: surely Sayers can do better... the intriguing mystery gets lost in the unceasingly tedious recounting of all the various permutations of a train schedule... chapter after chapter of train schedules... TRAIN SCHEDULE, TRAIN SCHEDULES, STOP IT ALREADY!... where are the suspects?... oh there they are, only took a half a book to get to them... some good lines here and there... the characters of Wimsey & Bunter remain wonderful but are given little play.
I Remember: surely Sayers can do better... the intriguing mystery gets lost in the unceasingly tedious recounting of all the various permutations of a train schedule... chapter after chapter of train schedules... TRAIN SCHEDULE, TRAIN SCHEDULES, STOP IT ALREADY!... where are the suspects?... oh there they are, only took a half a book to get to them... some good lines here and there... the characters of Wimsey & Bunter remain wonderful but are given little play.
Some bits of this were funny and just perfectly Peter Wimsey-ical. But a lot of it was routine painstaking working out of timetables and alibis and who was lying when and about what. It doesn't help that one rather feels that the murdered man deserved it, and the suspects don't. Or that the dialogue is mostly written with a stab at phonetically spelling out the Scottish accent/dialect. It's hard to read, and it isn't terribly rewarding, allow the last fifty pages or so is wonderful.
There isn't e...more
There isn't e...more
This book has a fun setup, from a mystery aspect: in a small artist's community in Scotland, a man named Campbell is found dead at the base of a cliff, having apparently fallen to his death. But it wasn't an accident, obviously, and soon the local police, aided by his wonderfulness Lord Peter Wimsey, are on the case. There are some complications: Campbell has multiple enemies in the town, the six most likely suspects all have alibis for the time of death, and although Campbell was killed sometim...more
Is there anything more fun than a mystery novel? (Mystery movies won’t be counted as answers to this purely rhetorical question.) Seriously, though, mysteries are good for logical and analytical thinking and moral convictions, not to mention whiling a few hours away in fun and excitment!
The Story.
When Campbell’s body is found lifeless in the burn by Minnoch River, the police have no reason to suspect that his death was aught but an accident. It would be very easy for a man painting so near the c...more
The Story.
When Campbell’s body is found lifeless in the burn by Minnoch River, the police have no reason to suspect that his death was aught but an accident. It would be very easy for a man painting so near the c...more
The problem with Dorothy L. Sayers isn't whether or not she was good. She was. The problem was that she knew it.
So when she came to write Five Red Herrings (sold in the U.S. for some reason under the title Suspicious Characters), it wasn't enough to have designed a rollicking good mystery in which the reader is told right up front, "The murderer is one of these six characters." It wasn't even enough to have spent time in the obscure little Scottish backwater where the mystery is set perfecting...more
So when she came to write Five Red Herrings (sold in the U.S. for some reason under the title Suspicious Characters), it wasn't enough to have designed a rollicking good mystery in which the reader is told right up front, "The murderer is one of these six characters." It wasn't even enough to have spent time in the obscure little Scottish backwater where the mystery is set perfecting...more
This one was difficult in a way I didn't except : the Scottish accent in print. It definitely adds colours and atmosphere but it's a pain to read. The whole five of the six suspects are red herring is interesting but gets a bit muddle near the end. The culprit is found and the police is told in a exquisite reenactment (we are in 1931) that includes missed trains, wayward bicycles and second breakfast. Still, Sayers more average work is better than most mystery novels.
(A Lord Peter Wimsey Mystery) It was interesting to read this book, written in 1931, and compare it to the Maisie Dobbs books by Jacqueline Winspear, set in 1931, but written in the 21st century. The Maisie Dobbs books have much more emphasis on the effects of the First World War than does the Peter Wimsey book. Perhaps Dorothy Sayers was trying to create a certain amount of escapism, in that she and her readers knew perfectly well the effects of WW1, whereas Jacqueline Winspear has to explain i...more
In the second chapter of ‘Five Red Herrings’, as Lord Peter Wimsey examines the newly discovered corpse, he starts to frantically look around for a specific item. A police sergeant asks him what he’s hunting for – and the following paragraph appears in parenthesis:
“Here Lord Peter Wimsey told the Sergeant what he was looking for and why, but as the intelligent reader will readily supply these details for himself, they are omitted from this page.”
Now I would say that virtually no reader is going...more
“Here Lord Peter Wimsey told the Sergeant what he was looking for and why, but as the intelligent reader will readily supply these details for himself, they are omitted from this page.”
Now I would say that virtually no reader is going...more
The plot is somewhat overcomplicated and the evidence is a bit too twisty for me. Much of the plot centers around the details of the trains that the murderer may have taken. It feels like the original of which Monty Python's Agatha Christie sketch is the parody. I assume from the title of the sketch that Christie also wrote a novel with a similar feel.
This book has three redeeming features for me. The setting is an artist's colony in western Scotland, which is described in loving detail from Say...more
This book has three redeeming features for me. The setting is an artist's colony in western Scotland, which is described in loving detail from Say...more
Sep 10, 2012
sabisteb
rated it
4 of 5 stars
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review of another edition
Shelves:
hörspiele,
krimi-thriller
Wimsey macht Urlaub in Schottland, genau gesagt in Galloway. Aber nicht einmal hier ist die Welt heil, denn erneut stolpert er über einen Mord. Sandy Campbell ein eher mäßig tallentierter Maler, dafür umso besserer Trinker, der mit fast allen anderen Malern der Gegend im Streit war, wurde ermordet. Der Mord ist so arrangiert worden, dass es wie ein Unfall aussehen soll, doch die Farbe auf dem Bild ist noch nass, der Maler jedoch bereits viel zu lange tot, um dieses Bild gemalt haben zu können. E...more
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This is an example of the police procedural at its most plodding and colorful characterization at its finest. The book takes place in the artist's colony at Galloway district of Scotland in 1930-ish (book published in 1931). An artist is found dead and, as the title indicates, there are six suspects of whom five are "red herrings". Missing suspects, stolen bicycles, Scottish train schedules, and lying witnesses move suspicion from one suspect to the other and back again throughout the book. Saye...more
I enjoyed the characters in this book, led by Lord Peter Wimsey. Dorothy Sayers draws characters well, and gives each character, whether a major or minor one, its due. And I did enjoy the setting and the language, which reminded me of my Scottish grandmother telling someone "Dinna fash yoursel', it doesna matter." She is an author who pays great attention to details, and I have enjoyed that in other books she has written.
In this book, however, the details really took over the story, and kept bri...more
In this book, however, the details really took over the story, and kept bri...more
This is a difficult book to read, and I would recommend starting out with a notebook and pencil to follow events.
An aggressive and unpleasant artist is found dead by a burn in Scotland. Lord Peter Wimsey enters the scene and decides that it is a murder. Dorothy Sayers lets her readers know that at the scene there is a clue to be identified. This is reinforced later on and it is easy to identify the culprit if one does not get bamboozled by railway timetables. There are six artist suspects, but f...more
An aggressive and unpleasant artist is found dead by a burn in Scotland. Lord Peter Wimsey enters the scene and decides that it is a murder. Dorothy Sayers lets her readers know that at the scene there is a clue to be identified. This is reinforced later on and it is easy to identify the culprit if one does not get bamboozled by railway timetables. There are six artist suspects, but f...more
Harrumph. I honestly toyed with giving this two stars. As you kids have undoubtedly figured out if you have been following my recent reading voyages, I think the Lord Peter Wimsey books are the cat's pajamas, the bee's knees, and many other forms of animal clothing and insect anatomy. In short: THEY ARE REALLY VERY AWESOME. However, this particular one just didn't grab me. There were some good zingers in there (and the reenactment of the crime was pretty fantastic--the best section of the book),...more
I hate to criticise a Peter Wimsey book but I'm afraid this one just didn't do it for me. It lacked much of the farce of the others I've read (possibly in no small part because Bunter, the long suffering butler, was almost totally absent). The story was just more than I could handle. 1 death, 6 suspects, 5 of whom were red herrings. Nothing wrong with that, the problem came with the intricacies of the narrowing down of the suspect list. I felt I needed a detailed map of the region and a train ti...more
Doubling back to a Peter Wimsey book from earlier in the chronology. The one where Peter solves the murder of a painter in a small Scottish town.
I frankly find it astonishing that the woman who wrote Gaudy Night also wrote this. It's a long slog of tedious detail seasoned with train schedules. I had a hard time keeping the six murder suspects straight, and it didn't seem to really matter.
Saved from utter ignominy by two things: (1) Peter occasionally breaking into blank verse just because he can...more
I frankly find it astonishing that the woman who wrote Gaudy Night also wrote this. It's a long slog of tedious detail seasoned with train schedules. I had a hard time keeping the six murder suspects straight, and it didn't seem to really matter.
Saved from utter ignominy by two things: (1) Peter occasionally breaking into blank verse just because he can...more
From BBC Radio 4 Extra:
Dorothy L Sayers' mystery with Ian Carmichael as the upper class sleuth Lord Peter Wimsey.
Dorothy L Sayers' mystery with Ian Carmichael as the upper class sleuth Lord Peter Wimsey.
Following a second read, this still remains my least favorite of all of the Peter Wimsey novels. Essentially a train schedule mystery, it relies heavily on intricate timing and maps. I certainly appreciated the intricacy of Sayer's plotting, but keeping up with paragraphs that read like algebra problems (If he took 1:15 at Ayr, he could have made it to Kircudbright in time for the 2:15 Express, or he could have taken the 2:45 local, stopping at Homestead, where the man with the gray flannel suit...more
Yikes. I love Lord Peter, but this might well be Sayers' worst effort.
Five Red Herrings has a lovely setting, taking place in Galloway. The characters are nicely penned, with an affectionate look at Scotland's dogged policemen and the recalcitrant local artists and fishermen whose obstinate refusal to tell the truth prevents them from serving justice.
However, the plot is weak, repetitive and dull. Unless you are obsessed with train tickets, schedules and the minutiae of bicycle speeds, models...more
Five Red Herrings has a lovely setting, taking place in Galloway. The characters are nicely penned, with an affectionate look at Scotland's dogged policemen and the recalcitrant local artists and fishermen whose obstinate refusal to tell the truth prevents them from serving justice.
However, the plot is weak, repetitive and dull. Unless you are obsessed with train tickets, schedules and the minutiae of bicycle speeds, models...more
Dorothy Sayers definitely wrote in an era when readers didn't expect their plots to develop as quickly, but then again she also wrote in an era when readers expected a lot more content and mystery in their murder mysteries (whereas most murder mysteries these days are just Tom Clancy thrillers with the ex-army ranger main character replaced with a detective -- "who must discover the murderer, before he's the next victim!...." DUM DUM DUUUUMMM!!!). Dorothy Sayers is without doubt one of the murde...more
This book is certainly not guilty of the complaint I've had of a few other Dorothy Sayers books--namely that the plot was too easy to figure out. In fact, with this book, I actually kind of couldn't figure out the plot even after it was explained. There were five suspects to keep track of, which Sayers, with her prodigious intellect, did nicely. However, I had trouble keeping up. Much of the plot swung on train schedules, and there were neither maps nor charts to help a poor American out. I also...more
In my review of this the first time, I wrote: "If I were rereading the series some time in a couple of years, my advice to myself would be to skip this one, or just read the last fifty pages."
I haven't listened to my own advice, plainly. I've listened to the whole radioplay and reread the whole novel -- in quite close succession, even. And it doesn't really improve. The last fifty pages are still the best part, and though the plot is cleverly constructed, it's so labyrinthine as to be utterly in...more
I haven't listened to my own advice, plainly. I've listened to the whole radioplay and reread the whole novel -- in quite close succession, even. And it doesn't really improve. The last fifty pages are still the best part, and though the plot is cleverly constructed, it's so labyrinthine as to be utterly in...more
Sep 17, 2011
Bev Hankins
rated it
4 of 5 stars
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review of another edition
Shelves:
mystery,
vintage-mystery
Five Red Herrings (aka Suspicious Characters when first released in the States) is Dorothy L Sayers' flirtation with a railroad tables crime. The first time I read it I spent a great deal of brain power trying to keep up with all the times and trains and didn't get it at all. In all subsequent readings (including this one), I take the times and trains and tickets as read and just sit back and enjoy the ride.
What we have is an apparently very simple death in Kirkcudbright, Scotland. After a night...more
What we have is an apparently very simple death in Kirkcudbright, Scotland. After a night...more
My feelings about this book are summed up by something Lord Peter says about himself in Jill Paton-Walsh's extension of the Sayers books, A Presumption of Death:
"Peter-after-Harriet is easier to live with than Peter-before-Harriet. That Peter makes me squirm whenever I think of him"
Some of the pre-Harriet books in the series are wonderful. But for, Lord Peter only comes fully to life when Harriet comes upon the scene.
And this particular book just doesn't hold me, though I've tried reading it at...more
"Peter-after-Harriet is easier to live with than Peter-before-Harriet. That Peter makes me squirm whenever I think of him"
Some of the pre-Harriet books in the series are wonderful. But for, Lord Peter only comes fully to life when Harriet comes upon the scene.
And this particular book just doesn't hold me, though I've tried reading it at...more
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Dorothy Leigh Sayers (Oxford, 13 June 1893 – Witham, 17 December 1957) was a renowned British author, translator, student of classical and modern languages, and Christian humanist.
Dorothy L. Sayers is best known for her mysteries, a series of novels and short stories set between World War I and World War II that feature English aristocrat and amateur sleuth Lord Peter Wimsey. However, Sayers herse...more
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