Embers Of War: The Fall of an Empire and the Making of America's Vietnam

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Embers Of War: The Fall of an Empire and the Making of America's Vietnam

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The struggle for Vietnam occupies a central place in the history of the twentieth century. Fought over a period of three decades, the conflict drew in all the world’s powers and saw two of them—first France, then the United States—attempt to subdue the revolutionary Vietnamese forces. For France, the defeat marked the effective end of her colonial empire, while for America...more The struggle for Vietnam occupies a central place in the history of the twentieth century. Fought over a period of three decades, the conflict drew in all the world’s powers and saw two of them—first France, then the United States—attempt to subdue the revolutionary Vietnamese forces. For France, the defeat marked the effective end of her colonial empire, while for America the war left a gaping wound in the body politic that remains open to this day.

How did it happen? Tapping into newly accessible diplomatic archives in several nations and making full use of the published literature, distinguished scholar Fredrik Logevall traces the path that led two Western nations to lose their way in Vietnam. Embers of War opens in 1919 at the Versailles Peace Conference, where a young Ho Chi Minh delivers a petition for Vietnamese independence to President Woodrow Wilson. It concludes in 1959, with a Viet Cong ambush on a U.S. outpost outside Saigon and the deaths of two American officers whose names would be the first to be carved into the black granite of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. In between come years of political, military, and diplomatic maneuvering and miscalculation, as leaders on all sides embark on a series of stumbles that makes an eminently avoidable struggle a bloody and interminable reality.

Logevall takes us inside the councils of war—and gives us a seat at the conference tables where peace talks founder. He brings to life the bloodiest battles of France’s final years in Indochina—and shows how from an early point, a succession of American leaders made disastrous policy choices that put America on its own collision course with history: Harry Truman’s fateful decision to reverse Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s policy and acknowledge France’s right to return to Indochina after World War II; Dwight Eisenhower’s strenuous efforts to keep Paris in the fight and his escalation of U.S. involvement in the aftermath of the humiliating French defeat at Dien Bien Phu; and the curious turnaround in Senator John F. Kennedy’s thinking that would lead him as president to expand that commitment, despite his publicly stated misgivings about Western intervention in Southeast Asia.

An epic story of wasted opportunities and tragic miscalculations, featuring an extraordinary cast of larger-than-life characters, Embers of War delves deep into the historical record to provide hard answers to the unanswered questions surrounding the demise of one Western power in Vietnam and the arrival of another. This book will become the definitive chronicle of the struggle’s origins for years to come.

Advance praise for Embers of War

“Fredrik Logevall has gleaned from American, French, and Vietnamese sources a splendid account of France’s nine-year war in Indochina and the story of how the American statesmen of the period allowed this country to be drawn into the quagmire.”—Neil Sheehan, author of A Bright Shining Lie, winner of the Pulitzer Prize and the National Book Award

“Fredrik Logevall is a wonderful writer and historian. In his new book on the origins of the American war in Vietnam, he gives a fascinating and dramatic account of the French war and its aftermath, from the perspectives of the French, the Vietnamese, and the Americans. Using previously untapped sources and a deep knowledge of diplomatic history, Logevall shows to devastating effect how America found itself on the road to Vietnam.”—Frances FitzGerald, author of Fire in the Lake, winner of the Pulitzer Prize and the National Book Award(less)

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Published August 21st 2012 by Random House

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Feb 16, 2013 Converse rated it 3 of 5 stars

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Got to about page 399 of this history of (mainly) the French war in Indochina after the Second World War. By this point in the narrative many French politicians wanted out but they were not sure how to do this given the enthusiasm of the new Eisenhower administration in the United States for continuing the war. The author emphasizes that the steps that American adminstrations saw as necessary for a successful (i. e. non-communist) outcome in Vietnam required steps, such as a path for Vietnamese...more Got to about page 399 of this history of (mainly) the French war in Indochina after the Second World War. By this point in the narrative many French politicians wanted out but they were not sure how to do this given the enthusiasm of the new Eisenhower administration in the United States for continuing the war. The author emphasizes that the steps that American adminstrations saw as necessary for a successful (i. e. non-communist) outcome in Vietnam required steps, such as a path for Vietnamese independence, which would remove most incentives for France to continue fighting, as France would no longer have a colony (formal or otherwise) in Indochina.

The author devotes much attention to events before the outbreak of fighting being the Viet Minh and French forces. This book is mainly a diplomatic and political history, though descriptions of the more important battles also occur. He describes Ho Chi Minh's life prior to the war, and the odd events during the Second World War in Indochina, events that made it possible for the Viet Minh to gain a foothold at the end of that war.

During most of the Second World War, French Indochina was used by the Japanese as a base, but was still governed. by the French colonial administration. This adminstration was for most of the way loyal to the Vichy government in France, which collaborated with Nazi Germany. Towards the end of the war a Gaullist coup was easily swatted down by the Japanese forces. The easy with which the Japanese crushed the French seems to have permanently lowered the prestige of the French in the eyes of the Vietnamese population. At the end of the war northern Vietnam was occupied by non-communist Chinese troops, who didn't much like the French and let Ho Chi Minh start setting up a government and army. After some agreements between the French and Ho Chi Minh broke down, fighting between the French and the Viet Minh began; when you want to mark the beginning of the war is a matter of taste, as dates in 1945 or 1946 can both be defended. Suffice it to say that a territory that in 1939 was ruled without much trouble by a few thousand French forces was by 1947 ruled with considerable difficulty by a much larger French force.

The adjective "French" needs some interpretation. The French government was never willing to send French conscripts to fight in Indochina. So the French forces in Vietnam consisted of those soldiers who had volunteered to join the French army, some French legion forces (at the beginning of the fighting, many of these were Germans who signed up so as to get out of French prisons), units from French colonies in sub-Saharan Africa and North Africa, and Vietnamese units whose officers were French.

Ho Chi Minh (one of a number of alias) was a Vietnamese nationalist long before he became a communist. He was fluent in a number of languages (English, French, and Chinese) as well as Vietnamese. He had spent time in the United States, the Soviet Union, China, Britain and France and when he returned to Vietnam in the 1940s he hadn't set foot in the country for about 2 decades. It was in France in the 1920s that he became a communist and shortly thereafter a Comintern agent.

Militarily, the Viet Minh were divided into militia, provincial level, and what I could call "main-line" units. The militia units were part-timers who engaged in guerrilla warfare as well as providing porters for the "main-line" units, who were very much a Western style army. After the Chinese communist victory in 1949, the Viet Minh got a lot of material support and advice from the Chinese. The French got even more material support from the Americans, as well as advice they didn't much like. The French had an airforce (of American planes) the Viet Minh did not.

I find the French military strategy puzzling. They seemed to oscillate between defending perimeters around large cities like Hanoi and Saigon and setting up more distant outposts that were hard to supply. Sometimes there seemed to be a point to some of the better positioned outposts, in that these were easier to supply and as sometimes the Viet Minh general Giap would attack them and be defeated with heavy losses. The French don't seem to rarely have had much success in coping with guerrilla fighting of the militia units. The French attempts at encouraging the formation of a non-communist, Vietnamese government were not even half-hearted, because the French did not wish to give up control. I found it surprising that given the apparent French objective of maintaining their colony, they did not early on in the fighting attempt an offensive to capture and destroy the central Viet Minh government, which would seem to me to be the only policy that might give the French what they wanted.

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Nov 22, 2012 John rated it 4 of 5 stars

"Embers of War" is a page-turning account of how the United States became enmeshed in Vietnam after the Second World War and how those entanglements led to the Vietnam. What makes the book especially interesting to American readers, is how Longevall, a historian at Cornell University, tells the story through the lens of the France's war in Indochina after World War II, so in that sense the book is really two stories: a gripping account of the French war that lasted from between 1945/46 to 1954 o...more

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Oct 16, 2012 James Wilhelm rated it 5 of 5 stars

I am now reading this new book about Vietnam and am about 55% complete. Being an Air Force veteran of the U.S. Vietnam War I have been very interested in the subject since I last left Vietnam in 1973.

Having read many books on the subject, I find this book offers the best history I have seen about how the war began and how the U.S. became involved.In addition to the depth and accuracy of the historical data, the book is very well written and keeps my attention from page to page.

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Aug 22, 2012 Susan rated it 4 of 5 stars Recommends it for: Those involved in the 60s, military people, history buffs w/ interests in Southeast Asia

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Well researched and sweeping in scope, this book was provided to me by the publisher as part of Goodreads.com First Reads program.

Embers of War: the Fall of an Empire and the making of America's Vietnam is a rather large book; covering the years from 1919 to 1959, before the US enaged the Viet Cong in many years of a war that was divisive both at home and within the military ranks. The amazing amount of research it contains demonstrates that a shocking history of errors and miscalculation served...more

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Mar 06, 2013 Qwerty rated it 3 of 5 stars

Pretty much everything, anyone would ever want to know about the French-Indochina War. Although the book weighs in at over 700 pages, I was never really bored. Although there is some discussion of the abuses of the Viet Minh, e.g., botched land reform, targeted assassination, the author takes a largely sympathetic view of the guerrilla movement. It is hard not to walk away from this book without a measure of respect for Võ Nguyên Giáp who led the Viet Minh guerrillas against the French and later...more

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Aug 31, 2012 Emily Mishler rated it 3 of 5 stars

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I won an advance copy of this book via a goodreads giveaway.

In all honesty, I only skimmed through this book. Giant history tombs are not generally on my list of light summer reading material. While comparing the writing style and tone of Logevall's book to other giant history tombs I have read for some of my college history classes, I would say Logevall rates high on the use of an engaging style. I actually could see myself one day sitting down and actually reading through the majority of this...more

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Dec 06, 2012 Helaine rated it 4 of 5 stars

This book covers the French attempt to recolonize Vietnam after WWII, goes into depth about the French defeat at Dien Bien Phu and ends just as the US begins to send combat troops to Vietnam. As someone who lived through the US Vietnam Era (which the author did not), I found this book very helpful in explaining the US's "long and difficult commitment to Vietnam"(the US involvement in Vietnam started long before the sixties when most of us became aware of that country). I remember when the war wa...more This book covers the French attempt to recolonize Vietnam after WWII, goes into depth about the French defeat at Dien Bien Phu and ends just as the US begins to send combat troops to Vietnam. As someone who lived through the US Vietnam Era (which the author did not), I found this book very helpful in explaining the US's "long and difficult commitment to Vietnam"(the US involvement in Vietnam started long before the sixties when most of us became aware of that country). I remember when the war was heating up and in the newspapers, magazines and TV on a daily basis,my mom asked me as a college student what I thought about the war, the domino theory, etc. She had Time Magazine in her hand and she was skeptical about the pro-war position of the article she was reading. I was completely taken in by the seeming logic of the domino theory and the Soviet communist boogie-man that directed so much of the US government politics in the 50's and 60's. I did change my mind as I engaged with more people that had first hand knowledge of what was happening on the ground in Vietnam (including my officer husband returned from his stint in Vietnam).

The author's writing style is very informal with lots of "as we will see later" or "as we saw before." At first, I found this conversational style of writing distracting, but came to find it really contributed to the readability of the book which is over 700 pages of verbiage (and another 100+ of acknowledgements, footnotes and references). I can truly say that I found the book so engrossing that I was disappointed to find that it ended on page 721 instead of page 833 as I initially expected.

Just a few of the many points in the book that I did not know:

In 1941, the "longing to be free from foreign domination was the most potent force in Vietnam" resulting in "a 'radical redefinition of the nature and tasks of the Vietnamese revolution away from the class struggle and toward national liberation.'"

"It was the great difference between the United States and her main transatlantic partner, Britain: the degree to which fear of the Communist world conspiracy permeated political and popular discourse. Eden and Churchill and other British Conservatives were mystified by the seeming support in Middle America for extreme Red-baiters such as Senator Joseph McCarthy who applied constant pressure on the White House to live up to their rigid standards of anti-Communist purity."

Truman, Eisenhower and Johnson all had doubts about the wisdom of a land war in Vietnam, but each had some monkey on his back that pulled him towards that war. Truman was accused of losing China to the communists and as such left Vietnam to the French to prevent a communist takeover. Eisenhower propounded the Communist domino-theory believing that the Soviets were behind any national liberation movement in Asia and poured millions of dollars into Vietnam both before and after the French left.

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Dec 14, 2012 Jim rated it 3 of 5 stars

I enjoyed this book, probably due to the fact I am a history buff. I also study military activities and this book covers the period of time from 1919 and the start of the rise of Ho Chi Minh in politics. His political footprint begins in the French involvement in French Indo China. The book covers all the political and military involvements from that period through World War II and the final drawing into the war of the United States. In case you have ever wondered how the US became involved and...more

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Apr 20, 2013 Julian Haigh rated it 5 of 5 stars

Logevall weaves so many narratives together connecting with characters on both a personal level, as well as placing their histories in a larger context of the 'international' movement to 'save' Vietnam.

From the overcompensating Charles De Gaulle for Frances embarrassment in WW2 attempting to 'save' their imperialist civilization mission to Ho Chi Minh's international political understandings of the importance of the American position, even as early as 1919, and the American position hardening f...more

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Feb 26, 2013 James Murphy rated it 5 of 5 stars

Readers love to discover books which articulate what they've always known and understood. Embers of War fits my ideas of America's involvement in Vietnam. For that reason it's not surprising I'd like the book and consider it important in that it voices perspectives long needing to be made clear.

Logevall's huge book is a comprehensive history of the French return to Indochina following the defeat of Japan in 1945, how it found there a burgeoning nationalism and a free Vietnam already proclaimed u...more Readers love to discover books which articulate what they've always known and understood. Embers of War fits my ideas of America's involvement in Vietnam. For that reason it's not surprising I'd like the book and consider it important in that it voices perspectives long needing to be made clear.

Logevall's huge book is a comprehensive history of the French return to Indochina following the defeat of Japan in 1945, how it found there a burgeoning nationalism and a free Vietnam already proclaimed under the leadership of Ho Chi Minh, how the French reinstated themselves, precipitating the revolutionary warfare with the Viet Minh which culminated in the decisive battle at Dien Bien Phu eight years later and the cessation of hostilities and division of the country at the 1954 Geneva Conference and how, from there the U. S. was handed, or snatched, the baton of responsibility for the security of South Vietnam. It's a big story. Logevall's organization of all this material and his careful narrative explaining all the complexities of Vietnamese nationalism and what's called the First Indochina War (1946-1954) is truly impressive.

The bulk of his history is that war between the French and the Viet Minh. One of his most important considerations is explaining how Vietnamese nationalism led by Ho and the Viet Minh was complicated by its communist philosophy and how this association affected perception by western governments which found themselves locked in a competition with the Soviet bloc, a competition always threatening to destabilize into some kind of open conflict. More, how Ho's difficulties with the west were made even worse when Mao's communist armies defeated Chiang Kai-shek's republican armies in 1949 and when the Soviet Union and China recognized the Viet Minh as the legitimate government of Vietnam. Logevall spends a lot of time explaining Ho as shortsighted in not being able to see how the Vietnamese war and politics made up a part of the big picture of global political confrontation, and how his insularity precluded diplomatic moves which might have softened the west's view of the Viet Minh and their motives.

One of the most important factors in this history, of course, was the Korean War, conducted primarily by America and finally resulting in a stalemate and armistice. The U. S. always, from the first moment, linked the two wars as part of the same east/west struggle. That linkage was emphasized by Eisenhower and was behind America's more active role in Southeast Asia following the end of the Korean War. The U. S. had held the line against communist aggression and charged France with doing the same in Indochina. But even massive material aid couldn't insure French success in the face of a stubborn enemy and growing domestic disenchantment with an 8-year war.

As the book closes, how the U. S. became mired in Vietnamese politics leading to eventual military intervention, how the U. S. came in the end to make the same mistakes as the French, how the North Vietnamese decided again on a military solution to reunification, becomes the focus. Eisenhower's strong advocacy of blocking communism in the region, with military means if necessary, continued to dominate policy. Even recognizing the unpopularity of the Diem government in the south and the likelihood that that government would fail did not keep Ike's successors, Kennedy and Johnson, from pressing on with the same policies because America always seemed to plunge along the same path trusting the situation would improve. And always the need to be perceived, in the age of McCarthyism and shortly after, as standing up to communism was of political importance, as was the need to not "lose Vietnam" as Truman was said to have "lost China." All decisions regarding Vietnam were made in this heated political atmosphere in which America saw itself as the leader in the geopolitical contest with communism. Logevall carefully analyzes these points and many more as he arrives at the point of American military intervention.

This is big, complex history. It takes many twists and involves many leaders of several nations, all of whom realize triumph and miscalculation. I think Logevall has done a masterful job in sorting it all out. For those with even the slightest interest in the Vietnam War, even for those who enjoy interesting history well told and well written, I think Embers of War is essential reading.(less)

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Jan 22, 2013 Shawn Fairweather rated it 5 of 5 stars

The was a free read thanks to Goodreads first reads!!! Let me say that I was really excited about getting to read this and it being a free hardcover made it even better! Logevall took a much different approach to the Vietnam War than most writers and on a perspective that I have wanted to learn much more about. Logevall as a college professor and an obvious expert on the topic does not take the simpler route by rehashing stories and military tactics that have been rehased a thousand times over b...more

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Nov 05, 2012 John rated it 5 of 5 stars

This is one of the best works of history I've read in a long time! It shines a useful, timely, and comprehensive light into a largely ignored part of our history.

This work is incredibly deep and detailed! But unlike so many histories of similar scope and depth, it never felt dense to me. I didn't have any problems keeping track of names/dates/places/events, the way I usually do when I read big historical tomes.

Mr. Logevall's writing style is engrossing and sweeps you along - at times, it almost...more

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Feb 26, 2013 Perry Andrus rated it 5 of 5 stars

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This was one of the best books I have ever read. It is a superb political history of Indochina from WWI until the early 60's.

It amazed me how many terrible decisions were made, especially by the French and then the Americans. Perhaps if FDR had not died the whole mess might not have happened as he was adamant about not letting the French return to their Indochina colony.

Now I want to read some of the most recent books on Dien Bien Phu even though I know how the story will end.

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Sep 08, 2012 Stan rated it 5 of 5 stars

This book is fascinating. How many of we Americans knew that Ho Chi Minh had tried to see President Wilson in Paris in 1919 to try to get the USA to help Vietnam gain her independence from France? My guess is not many. Professor Logevall leads us through the history of Ho Chi Minh and his attempts to gain freedom from Vietnam's colonial ruler, shows us how it may have been much different had Roosevelt lived, and takes us through Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson administrations as no one...more

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May 10, 2013 Steve rated it 4 of 5 stars

Interesting book on the background of how the Vietnam War started, Before the United States entered the war. From 1945-1954, The Vietminh (North Vietnamese) fought and defeated the French. The French occupied Indochina after World War II. These events led to the downfall of the French, Only years later, The United States would enter the war to protect South Vietnam from North Vietnam.

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Sep 27, 2012 Jerome rated it 5 of 5 stars

This book was especially interesting to me because I was enlisted in the USMC the fall of 1954. At the time, even though I was stationed in Japan, we knew nothing about Vietnam or what was going on in Washington DC or how close we came to going into North Vietnam. Armed forces radio, the only radio station available kept us in the dark. Thanks to Winston Churchill England would not play along with the American Commie phobic war mongers and we stayed where we were for ten years.

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Sep 20, 2012 Kristina marked it as to-read

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Aug 30, 2012 Jordyn rated it 4 of 5 stars

* I won this in the FTC giveaway

This book is a phenomenal choice for any history buff, it was gripping and kept you interested until the end. I would absolutely recommend it :)

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WON THIS BOOK IN A GOODREADS GIVEAWAY

This is not a book about the US fighting in the Vietnam War, but it is a book about the background of events that led to the Vietnam War. This book is massive (800 pages) and extremely detailed. The book begins in the Paris Peace Conferences following WWI, goes throughout WWII, and the end of the French colonial rule. If you are a die hard Vietnam War expert, this book is for you!

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Oct 04, 2012 Cindy rated it 5 of 5 stars

GOODREADS WINNER.

I am not currently done with this book. But had to come state how utterly impressed I am with this book. I thought it might be a little dry and difficult to read. But it isn't. It is fantastic. I am learning so much and can't wait to update my review when I am done.

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Dec 10, 2012 Lisa marked it as to-read

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I won this on First Reads.

I take reading and reviewing books very seriously. Due to deaths and major family health issues, I have not been able to dedicate time or energy towards reading or reviewing. I do not want to do either half heartedly, so I will have to post this for now and will come back when things slow down. At that time I will update this with a proper review.

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Apr 27, 2013 Tom rated it 5 of 5 stars

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great book on pre-American History of the Vietnam War.

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Oct 13, 2012 Denise West rated it 4 of 5 stars

I won this book through Goodreads. A lot of time and research went into this book. Anyone interested in our history and any of the wars will find this worth reading and may find some things they didn't know.

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Nov 18, 2012 Becca rated it 4 of 5 stars

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Thanks to the publisher and goodreads for this First Reads giveaway!
Why Vietnam? That is the question Logevall poses. It only takes 700 pages, but he answers the question thoroughly. I found Embers of War to be engaging and well written. I also believe Logevall was as concise as possible without sacrificing important content. Embers of War is worth the effort!

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Dec 15, 2012 Greynomad rated it 5 of 5 stars

excellent read and recommended to all politicians

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Dec 22, 2012 Matthew rated it 4 of 5 stars

Detailed narrative of the events leading up to America's involvement in Viet Nam, from roughly the end of WWI to 1965. Contains much discussion of the politics of the USA, France, UK, and Viet Nam itself, with little discussion of China or the USSR's internal political decision-making process.

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Aug 22, 2012 Janet Biehl rated it 5 of 5 stars

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Upate April 15, 2013: congratulations to Logevall for winning the Pulitzer in history!

I copyedited the manuscript for Bantam Dell. An absorbing account of the rise of Ho Chi Minh and the fall of French rule over "Indochina" at Dienbienphu. Finely told, well done.

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Feb 09, 2013 David Williams rated it 4 of 5 stars

Is kind of a maximalist account of the French Vietnam war. So dense, yet very readable. This is definitely required reading for war history buffs.

Book received for free through Goodreads First Reads program.

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One of the best books explaining the First Indochina War, how it happened from both side's perspectives. In hindsight, the US got involved for the wrong reasons and reaped the results.

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