Victory Conditions (Vatta's War, #5)
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Victory Conditions (Vatta's War #5)

4.04 of 5 stars 4.04  ·  rating details  ·  3,452 ratings  ·  132 reviews
A vast and hostile force is attacking prosperous trade centres, destroying their space fleets then moving on, leaving death and chaos in their wake. Admiral Ky Vatta’s family was decimated by one such attack and Turek, the pirate force’s leader, will not escape her vengeance.

Ky has a loyal taskforce, but the enemy have three times the ships and the firepower to match. She...more
Hardcover, 416 pages
Published February 19th 2008 by Del Rey (first published January 1st 2008)
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Genre: Space Opera/Military Sci Fi

This is probably the weakest book of the Vatta’s War series, it wrapped everything up all neat and tidy but it took too many short-cuts. Despite the relationship between Gammis Turek (pirate leader) and Lew Parmina (former head of ISC, biggest company in the known universe) being critical to the success of the pirates in earlier books, it’s never explained WHY they were working together, or even that they WERE directly working together. It’s hinted at a lot, but...more
"If there's been a completely honest government in the history of humankind, no history book's ever mentioned it."

Excellent. Moon drew all the essential threads into a satisfying climax, and left enough to remind the reader that life goes on. Moon's forte is interpersonal relationships over interstellar distances. It's easy to get out of sync, and she explores many of the ways complex, if-bigger-than-life people get cross ways with each other and the world(s).

A good read of the space opera varie...more
Jul 14, 2008 Lisa rated it 4 of 5 stars
Shelves: 2008
A remarkably fast read, with all the ends tied up nicely. Moon is the first author I've read whose space battles include discussions of debris fields and how shields help with that. I was also intrigued by the idea that the brain implants could become overloaded with unmaleable memories that, over time, become a problem for regular human consciousness. The very end seemed a bit sparse, but I'm probably just being greedy.
(2.5 of 5 stars)

Somewhere - belatedly - around the halfway mark of Victory Conditions, I started wondering what exactly I was trying to prove by slogging through this series. I'd already given it a second and third chance to redeem itself, and each book seemed worse than the one before: characters behaved erratically, the plot made no sense whatsoever, Chekhov's whole freaking armory lay forgotten and gathering dust...

I'm sorry to report this one isn't any better. I don't know that I'd say it's...more
The final installment to the Vatta's War series is one of the best books of the series. I found the ending satisfying, if a bit heartbreaking.

Ky has earned quite a reputations as a commander of a space force, yet it hasn't come without some tragedy. She's also been dealing with grief from family death, the loss of a way of life and being the cause of death of others - even though they may have been enemies, it doesn't feel that great to know she's the cause of so many deaths. She's also been a b...more
Benjamin Thomas
No, this isn't a blog entry about my Swedish campaign game in Empire Total War. Rather "Victory Conditions" is the name of the 5th and final book in Elizabeth Moon's "Vatta's War" series. This is a science fiction series that I started unexpectedly last year. You see, I was on a business trip and had run out of reading material. Now that's not a bad thing in my brain because it means I get to go to the bookstore and buy something that looks good to me right then and there. Since I have such a ba...more
02/2012 The conclusion of the Ky Vatta series. A satisfying conclusion to a good sci-fi series. You'll probably like this series if you like lot's of action. Moon is sparse enough with her space battles that they are never boring. The battles are well written and well conceived, factoring in spaceships that have lightspeed communications as well as those that can communicate faster than light. Moon also understands many of the possible problems inherent in space battles, and conveys them clearly...more
This is so like me--to read the last book in a series first. This novel totally rocks; no one writes action sequences--eg battles, stuff blowing up, etc.--better than Moon. I mean that literally; if I didn't think she'd find it insulting, I'd dub her the Tom Clancy of hard SF; she may be even better at action sequences than he. I read this book embarrassingly fast, getting into the war, the political instrigue, and the great battle scenes.

It's vintage Moon. You have a galactic society based larg...more
Well I am finally done with Vatta's War and it's time to say what I think about it.
I would not recommend the serie, it's not bad but it's not an earth shattering read that absolutely needs to be done. The whole set of books gets a 3 stars rating for me, maybe I should qualify this. This is not really a set of 5 disconnected books but more a story told over 5 relatively short books. Character development is not really great and action is sometime sparse. All in all an average read, it will keep y...more
A satisfying conclusion to the series, that wraps almost everything up neatly.

We never do get to figure out what the relationship is between Lew Parmina and Gammis Turek. Why are they working together? Lew seems to want power over ISC's monopoly; working with Turek seems sort of detrimental, especially once they start taking out ansibles, as that eats into ISC's profit significantly.

Also, there was some really odd foreshadowing with Pitt (the Mackensee soldier) at the very end of the book. The n...more
Now having finished this relatively short series (I think all five together might fit inside a Brandon Sanderson novel, but that's not necessarily a bad thing) it's time to reflect.

I ended up rating each book in the series with three stars, which is about the lowest I'll rate a book that I'd still consider a recommendation.

Having originally read the Paksenarrion series way back and recently going through it again thanks to audiobooks, I was curious to see what Elizabeth Moon's military backgroun...more
An excellent book & a good way to wind up the previous 4. I love that. The plot works itself out & the characters are just where they should be. There are some loose ends, but they're not bad ones. We know the survivors have a future. I was very impressed. As good as the Honor Harrington series & similar in many ways.
Jan 28, 2013 M.D. rated it 3 of 5 stars
Shelves: sf
As a conclusion to Vatta's War, I found Book 5 a bit of a letdown, especially the last battle. Moon introduced a stronger romantic element in the plot but I thought it was clumsily done, including the ending.

I'd definitely recommend the series, but be prepared for a bit of disappointment in the last book.
Mar 06, 2008 Roberta rated it 4 of 5 stars
Recommends it for: space opera, military sf fans
Shelves: sciencefiction
The final book in the series according to the author's note at the front.

Only thing wrong with the book is that it is too short. Then again, I have had that complaint for the whole series.

If you like good space opera with real characters, then read this series.
Unshockingly, I devoured the last book in the series just as quickly as the previous four. Unfortunately, it's sort of blurring with the other books, so it's hard to give it a review on its own. (Except, read it. It's a good series.)

The last book in a series is tough, because we all know where it's going to go. And, yes, the people you think are going to win, win. I don't believe that's a spoiler. But it's a fun trip.

Things I would've liked more on:
Teddy Ransome's culture. That whole thing was...more
Althea Ann
Vatta's War series
1 Trading in Danger
2 Marque and Reprisal
3 Engaging the Enemy
4 Command Decision
5 Victory Conditions

These 5 books are not so much a series as one long novel - there's one story arc, and you really need to read all five to get to the (satisfying) conclusion. (I somehow had the misapprehension that there were only 4 in the series - luckily the public library came through and got me #5 expediently!)
Due to a misjudgement, Kylara Vatta, scion of an interstellar shipping business,...more
Moon is a master of future wars in space. Her protagonists (all women) reflect on current issues of women in the military. She gets a lot very right:
The complexity of battles that range through and out of a single solar system;
The effects of battle debris on ability to find and fight the enemy;
The types of weapons that might be used;
The challenges of maintaining perspective while the battle is raging.

In this 5-book series she has challenged herself by:
Combining merchant, utility and military iss...more
Kat  Hooper
Originally posted at FanLit.

Victory Conditions is the fifth and final book in Elizabeth Moon’s VATTA’S WAR saga. This has been a solidly entertaining story with appealing characters and an unpredictable plot but it never quite pulls itself past its classification of “space opera.” If space opera is what you’re looking for, VATTA’S WAR delivers and this last installment, Victory Conditions, brings the Vatta story to a satisfying end. If you haven’t read the first...more
This book was definitely a let down after the 4th. The 'discovered' romance was weak and annoying. The final space battle felt sluggish and lacked any sense of real danger or momentum. There was just no epic quality.

And this book really fell prey to some of Moon's strongest failings as a writer - she visualizes characters as amazing/strong and *exceptional* - but we never see it. Instead, we see a lot of secondary characters talking over and over about how exceptional/wonderful/intimidating/per...more
Victory Conditions brought Vatta's War to a satisfying, action-heavy conclusion, though it felt to me like the weakest book of the series.

The main characters, especially Ky, Rafe, Stella, still got plenty of story, and they are still engaging in their own ways.

This was easily the most action-packed book in the series; that's probably to be expected in a finale. The series started, back with "Trading in Danger", with so much emphasis on character and story details, and a very slowly developing s...more
Lindsay Stares
This is the final book in the Vatta's War Series.

Overall this is solid sci-fi action. Nothing exceptional, just fine. It would probably be hard to follow if I hadn't read the previous books, but all the characters are growing nicely into their roles, and the plot rolls along to a satisfying conclusion. It's a quick read, and I enjoyed it.

Except for one thing.

The very end is just terrible. The end of the plot about a pirate fleet taking over systems and disrupting communication is fine, obvious,...more
The moment Ky Vatta has been preparing for has finally arrived. Her ships may not be up to spec, but the support of warships and crew from several systems has enabled her to feel more confident than she might otherwise be about the inevitable confrontation with pirate Gammis Turek. There is one problem: ISC is still extraordinarily suspicious of the Vatta family, fearing their connections with traitor Lew Parmina.

The company isn’t ready to back temporary CEO Rafe Dunbarger, especially with his i...more
Beth Cato
This is the fifth and final book in the Vatta's War series.[return][return]It's difficult to summarize this book without delving into too many spoilers, but here we go: the war against space pirates escalates as other worlds begin to take the threat seriously. Ky Vatta, under tremendous strain, works with an ever-expanding fleet and an ominous deadline. Meanwhile, the other cast members deal with terror plots and espionage, along with business and legal dealings.[return][return]This was a fittin...more
William Bentrim
Victory Conditions By Elizabeth Moon

Arrgghh, the series is over. I loved this series. My only complaint is there doesn’t appear to be any sequels scheduled. Ky Vatta and Rafe wrap up the action in this book.

Things come together in a big way in this book. Ky gets her ships, Rafe discovers unplumbed depths to a family member and Aunt Grace stops making fruitcakes. The character interaction is what allows Elizabeth Moon’s books to excel. You find yourself captivated by characters and immersed in t...more
Aug 01, 2008 Lucy rated it 4 of 5 stars
Recommends it for: fans of miltiary SF and F
Shelves: adult, sciencefiction
It's not worth summarizing the plot here, because let's face it, that's not why we read these books anyway. If we did, we'd have to reread the whole series every time one of them came out, and who wants that?

No, we read these books because military SF is fun. And Elizabeth Moon's military anything is fun (see also, all her other military SF, and The Deed of Pakesnarrion--realistic miltiary medieval fantasy.) Moon's characters are fun to read about, her space battles are fun to read about, and th...more
The fifth and last book in the series, this one wraps up all the storylines neatly. Everything ended, in my mind, in a satisfactory manner - meaning that not every woman in the book wound up with A MAN at the end who was going to carry them off to a spaceship/castle and yadda yadda yadda. The most beautiful woman, in fact, winds up strong and in control of herself, with no need of a relationship. I enjoy twists like that. Someone we thought to be a doormat turns out to have hidden strengths; som...more
I've finally finished the Vatta's war series with this novel. Overall, I enjoyed the series, though I like other books by Elizabeth Moon much better. Its strong points are that it is well crafted, and fans of RPGs and RTS games will enjoy the way the protagonist builds up a powerful war fleet from the modest beginnings of a single, obsolete tramp freighter. Less appealingly, it is a rather formulaic military space opera. Many of the characters are two-dimensional and the villains exist only to p...more
Fantasy Literature
Victory Conditions is the fifth and final book in Elizabeth Moon’s VATTA’S WAR saga. This has been a solidly entertaining story with appealing characters and an unpredictable plot but it never quite pulls itself past its classification of “space opera.” If space opera is what you’re looking for, VATTA’S WAR delivers and this last installment, Victory Conditions, brings the Vatta story to a satisfying end. If you haven’t read the first four books, go find the first book, Trading in Danger. If you...more
Cheryl in CC NV
Satisfying conclusion to the set in that most of they mysteries are explained, most of the loose ends have been tied, most of the characters have a clear sense of what awaits them over the next few years. But, as I predicted, I do want more. Kinda. I'm not sure who I'd want to be the focus in the next set - not Ky, nor Stella, nor Grace, nor Toby, despite the fact that I want to learn more about all of them.

I dunno what to say to you, dear potential reader. Obviously if you've read the first fo...more
This book concludes the Vatta’s War series. Moon rather predictably ties up the loose threads and (not really a spoiler) the good guys win.

I enjoyed reading it, but nothing really surprising jumped up at me. While the series is worthwhile entertainment, it will never be remembered as groundbreaking or fantastic. The universe Moon has crafted is a bit too cute, a bit too orderly. The idiosyncrasies of the various cultures are a bit too manufactured and corny and the series suffers from it. There...more
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Elizabeth Moon was born March 7, 1945, and grew up in McAllen, Texas, graduating from McAllen High School in 1963. She has a B.A. in History from Rice University (1968) and another in Biology from the University of Texas at Austin (1975) with graduate work in Biology at the University of Texas, San Antonio.

She served in the USMC from 1968 to 1971, first at MCB Quantico and then at HQMC. She marrie...more
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