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Religion for Atheists: A Non-Believer's Guide to the Uses of Religion
by
Alain de Botton (Goodreads Author)
What if religions are neither all true or all nonsense? The boring debate between fundamentalist believers and non-believers is finally moved on by Alain's inspiring new book, which boldly argues that the supernatural claims of religion are of course entirely false – and yet that religions still have some very important things to teach the secular world.
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Hardcover, 320 pages
Published
February 12th 2012
by Hamish Hamilton
(first published 2011)
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In the arc of human history, religion was the source of moral and ritualistic doctrine until the Enlightenment when reason eclipsed it. Alain de Botton asks if on the altar of reason, secularists have forgotten the subtle, complicated, and intelligent aspects of religion which should not be abandoned along with the doctrine, but revitalized with the imprint of secularism.
The author identifies some of the lessons of religion including communal support, cultural influence, and financial power. He...more
The author identifies some of the lessons of religion including communal support, cultural influence, and financial power. He...more
With Religion for Atheists, De Botton’s intention appears to be to reinvigorate Auguste Comte’s project for a new ‘religion of humanity', but seems to think that if atheists steal all the best tools for indoctrination from religious tradition without calling it ‘religion’ then it’s all fine.
Chapter one is titled Wisdom without Doctrine, yet one of the most common ideas presented throughout the rest of the book is that atheists should adopt the highly prescriptive approach of religions, which dic...more
Chapter one is titled Wisdom without Doctrine, yet one of the most common ideas presented throughout the rest of the book is that atheists should adopt the highly prescriptive approach of religions, which dic...more
Alain de Botton suggests that if you are an atheist with an open mind, you may still see some benefits of religion. It may be possible to construct a humanist religion, as suggested by Auguste Comte--that lacks faith in a supernatural being--but supplies some very real benefits of organized religions. In particular, de Botton looks closely at Christianity, Judaism and Buddhism. He shows how these religions are ideally organized to attract members, and that atheists can learn from these structure...more
This book is not only for atheists. It is a lovely sentiment, very inclusive. The idea that so much of the world's religious traditions is wonderful and need not be rejected even if some of the tenets seem noxious. It speaks to the tiresome refrain of so "if you are not with me, you are against me." The Hindu concept that there are many paths, different paths work for different people recognizes that regardless of whether we subscribe to one or another religious tradition as our own, it behooves...more
Many people say they believe in some sort of higher being or essence but reject organised religion. Alain de Botton flips this on its head, arguing that religious rituals are important in helping us to be live better lives but insisting that God is a fiction.
de Botton's basic idea is one I personally find attractive. The triumph of secularism certainly appears to have shorn us of a variety of ways to reflect on our places in the universe and connect more meaningfully with others. His example of...more
de Botton's basic idea is one I personally find attractive. The triumph of secularism certainly appears to have shorn us of a variety of ways to reflect on our places in the universe and connect more meaningfully with others. His example of...more
A shortie of ~5hours
#48 tbr busting 2013
I have a soft spot for Botton's pop-philosophic-oeuvre and here he promotes the idea that religious rites are important to aid us to live psychologically healthier lives, whilst maintaining God is pure fiction.
3* The Art of Travel
4* The Consolations of Philosophy
3* Religion for Atheists
Despite the title, Religion for Atheists is in no way an attempt to convert non-believers. Stated bluntly, and up front, de Botton writes that “of course no religions are true in any God-given sense.” As such, there are no arguments about the truth of religion; de Botton begins with a basic assumption of atheism, and from there proceeds to examine religious traditions and rituals with an eye to incorporating them into secular culture, in order to enhance community, compassion, education, art and...more
I became a fan of Alain de Botton after reading his 'Status Anxiety' and 'Consolations of Philosophy'. Highbrows scoff at his style of presenting the deepest and most complex philosophical ideas with a powerpoint slide like simplicity. I, however, believe that the fundamental questions of philosophy are too close to the concerns of the ordinary person to be discussed in an arcane language and style. I admire his ability to discuss them in an accessible manner without compromising on depth.
His su...more
His su...more
Overall, I find the thesis although potentially a 'big idea' in theoretically synthesizing religious scripture with secularism, it does so using a flawed assumption that people without belief have voids within their lives that can only be repaired by appropriating symbolic props or ritualistic practices from faith, ceremonies which either are problematic practically, flawed conceptually or already done in a different formulation in 'secular' communities. The result therefore is a string of ideas...more
De Botton has written a very clever and instructive book. Forget about the questions of God’s existence which usually take up too much atheistic energy. What de Botton, an atheist himself, is interested in are not the particular beliefs of the great religions (the book mostly deals with Christianity and Judaism) or any attempt to do them justice or deflate them. Rather, he selects aspecets of religious practices from which secular institutions could learn many valuable lessons.
The book is not s...more
The book is not s...more
I don't disagree with de Botton's overall points about the value of art, tradition, family, ritual or community. However, neither do many other atheists (nor, for that matter, do his other boogieman... those dreaded libertarians). Much of his thesis is built on straw-man arguments about how the secular and materialists devalue these lofty and important things. He not only lacks evidence for this, but doesn't even back his personal musings with any particularly useful anecdotes. It is true that m...more
This book made me think of an essay I read a while ago by a fellow named Morozov about the market for pop-nonfiction which has arisen to satisfy the demands of TED Talks. He found Hybrid Reality to be a string of absurdities, cloaked in irrelevant factoids and incorrectly applied buzzwords; his critique of their book seems to me equally applicable to Religion for Atheists. Botton writes with the meandering fatuousness of a man who doesn't have much to say about much but would like be thought a T...more
After all the negative press I’d heard about the latest book by Alain de Botton, I was less than eager to read it. Sure it was about atheism and religion, so in theory it should be right up my alley, but the reviews I’d heard from people, combined with de Botton’s TED talk, “Atheism 2.0″, and the apparent reports that he intended to build a “Temple to atheism”, had me wondering if this book was worth reading at all. I have read work of his in the past; “The Art Of Travel” and “The Architecture o...more
The “purpose of this book,” writes Alain de Botton, “is to identify some of the lessons we might retrieve from religions.”
De Botton in this short and eloquent book attempts to underscore, for the secular world, what he sees as the value of religion for all of society. He does so in a writing style that befits a bemused and observant Montaigne in his tower. De Botton is ever the practical philosopher, extracting lessons where others see perhaps only a pedestrian or cement edifice.
The greatest p...more
De Botton in this short and eloquent book attempts to underscore, for the secular world, what he sees as the value of religion for all of society. He does so in a writing style that befits a bemused and observant Montaigne in his tower. De Botton is ever the practical philosopher, extracting lessons where others see perhaps only a pedestrian or cement edifice.
The greatest p...more
“God may be dead, but the urgent issues which impelled us to make him up still stir and demand resolutions..."
A book titled Religion for Atheists has got me before page one. Sounds like a wonderful idea—let’s move beyond mocking the religious for absurd supernatural beliefs and instead look to the genuine contributions that religion makes to their lives. Because, with all due respect to Richard Dawkins et al., all those millions are responding to something. Spirituality is as integral to the hum...more
A book titled Religion for Atheists has got me before page one. Sounds like a wonderful idea—let’s move beyond mocking the religious for absurd supernatural beliefs and instead look to the genuine contributions that religion makes to their lives. Because, with all due respect to Richard Dawkins et al., all those millions are responding to something. Spirituality is as integral to the hum...more
RELIGION FOR ATHEISTS by Alain de Botton (authour of The Consolations of Philosophy, among others)
So in accord with my own views I wish I could have written it. If only I were as erudite as de Botton!
"demonstrates his usual urbane, intelligent, and witty prose, always entertaining and worth reading"
Library Journal
Here is the first few paragraphs:
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The most boring and unproductive question one can ask of any religion is whether or not it is true – in terms of being handed down from heaven to the...more
So in accord with my own views I wish I could have written it. If only I were as erudite as de Botton!
"demonstrates his usual urbane, intelligent, and witty prose, always entertaining and worth reading"
Library Journal
Here is the first few paragraphs:
1.
The most boring and unproductive question one can ask of any religion is whether or not it is true – in terms of being handed down from heaven to the...more
I will always think of this as "Religion for Atheists and Believers: A Non-Believer's Guide to the Uses of Religion and a Believer's Guide to the Uses of Religion in This Life (Rather than After). It is a lovely book--I am not an atheist but I have read and enjoyed many of de Botton's books. Even many believers have come to distrust those who claim to tell us what matters about religion and how to experience it. I figure that the things even an atheist can see as valuable in religion, might just...more
Jul 16, 2012
Menno
marked it as to-read
from August 2012 Harper's Magazine:
The Literary Response to Radical Atheism
By Christopher R. Beha
Christopher R. Beha is an associate editor of Harper’s Magazine. His first novel, What Happened to Sophie Wilder, was published in June by Tin House Books.
In the current issue of Harper’s Magazine, I write about three books by writers I call the “New New Atheists.” The New Atheists—among them Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and the late Christopher Hitchens—wrote bestselling books in the past decade tha...more
The Literary Response to Radical Atheism
By Christopher R. Beha
Christopher R. Beha is an associate editor of Harper’s Magazine. His first novel, What Happened to Sophie Wilder, was published in June by Tin House Books.
In the current issue of Harper’s Magazine, I write about three books by writers I call the “New New Atheists.” The New Atheists—among them Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and the late Christopher Hitchens—wrote bestselling books in the past decade tha...more
This book is a provocative look at religion for those who have "lost faith in faith". The premise of finding enduring values in religion without accepting the divine origins of these values is intellectually appealing and innovative. The suggested secular replacements for the "divine" values leave something to be desired. In his chapter on community, the author proposes an Agape House or Center where the community could gather and share in an atmosphere of mutual goodwill appears contrived. Reli...more
This book was a real eye-opener for me. While I wouldn't describe myself as particularly religious and I wouldn't call myself an atheist either, I found the ideas and suggestions Alain de Botton puts forward in this book to be incredibly thought-provoking. He describes with eloquence and humor the ways religions have, in the past, provided guidance and support for mankind and how we, in the 21st Century, are lacking much of this. There is a void that has opened up that needs to be filled where t...more
I found this thought provoking. Now while I find the assertion by some Atheists that a logical conclusion of their (dis)belief will be that everyone will embrace the same disbelief as misguided, I also see that many people remain with their religion unthinkingly because of some of the things listed in this book. Community, ritual, purpose, hope. However, just like there isn't one religion I don't think that any one answer will work for everyone.
This book is a dialogue that needs to happen. Peopl...more
This book is a dialogue that needs to happen. Peopl...more
I really like Alain de Botton and his accessible, absorbing approach to philosophy. But I really didn't enjoy this book, I'm afraid.
The structure of each chapter the book is very formulaic:
a) Identify a positive aspect of religion
b) Muse that this is lacking in modern society
c) Propose a secular solution
The majority of his arguments collapse at stage b. For example:
a) Churches get strangers talking to one another
b) Restaurants don't
c) Set up new restaurants
The problem, of course, is that the as...more
The structure of each chapter the book is very formulaic:
a) Identify a positive aspect of religion
b) Muse that this is lacking in modern society
c) Propose a secular solution
The majority of his arguments collapse at stage b. For example:
a) Churches get strangers talking to one another
b) Restaurants don't
c) Set up new restaurants
The problem, of course, is that the as...more
Alain de Botton’s latest book, Religion for Atheists (McClelland & Stewart, $29.99) is creating a stir – but not as big a stir as its author and publisher might hope for. Subtitled A Non-Believer’s Guide to the Uses of Religion, it challenges modern-day atheists to recant their wholesale rejection of religion and “borrow” the strengths of religions’ teaching and practices. But de Botton, author of eight previous books of philosophical essays, is not naïve about how both believers and atheist...more
For me, Alain de Botton’s highly visible career as a public intellectual represents a personal journey as well. He took the path I wish I had pursued, as he did, much earlier in life. Therefore, here, I will not only review his newest book, Religion for Atheists (2012), but also chart the significance of this journey. Alain and I are intellectuals of the same generation, similar formation—in philosophy and literature—and with similar cultural ideals. Alain de Botton is one of the most vocal and...more
I was really looking forward to reading this but wish i hadn't bothered. I've read 1 other book by Alain which i thought was amazing so had high expectations, and as an atheist who already agrees with the central idea - that secular society can learn from religions - was looking forward to reading Alain's ideas.
For me, Alain protests too strongly the positive benefits he thinks society should adopt from religion, but misses half the argument ie any negative aspects (eg pedophilia scandals, atti...more
For me, Alain protests too strongly the positive benefits he thinks society should adopt from religion, but misses half the argument ie any negative aspects (eg pedophilia scandals, atti...more
"Religion for Atheists" tackles questions of the soul in a secular world. As someone for whom religion once structured my worldview (I was a Catholic nun for twenty years and have since left religion altogether), I agree with Alain de Botton's analysis that religion has much to offer unbelievers--not for its stories of the supernatural, but for its response to genuine human needs through community, art, education, and architecture over millennia.
De Botton's prose is lucid and precise. The book's...more
De Botton's prose is lucid and precise. The book's...more
I think the most important thing to note first off is that you don’t necessarily have to identify as an atheist to get something out of this book. Alain de Botton is the staunchest of atheists- so much so that he refuses to even enter into the discussion of whether a god exists, but rather starts his argument from the assumption that all the more mystical aspects of religion are complete nonsense, then moves on to look at how else religions might be useful in helping us to live a better life. He...more
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I heard Alain de Botton on the radio and was curious about this book. I enjoyed his Week at Heathrow booklet and like his writing style.
The title is intriguing and he lays out his premise right away. The secular world has pushed religion out of the way and offers little in regards for compassion, spirituality and something to look forward after death. De Botton comes from Jewish parents who were not very religious and from his tone, is an atheist. He believes that various aspects of three main r...more
The title is intriguing and he lays out his premise right away. The secular world has pushed religion out of the way and offers little in regards for compassion, spirituality and something to look forward after death. De Botton comes from Jewish parents who were not very religious and from his tone, is an atheist. He believes that various aspects of three main r...more
Originally posted at http://postdefiance.com/fresh-produce/, written by Timothy Thomas McNeely.
Angering everyone from fundamentalists to atheists, Alain de Botton’s Religion for Atheists attempts to approach various religions and take from them insights stripped of doctrine and orthodox faith.
Composed as an alternative to baby-with-the-bathwater style atheism, de Botton works to cull from faiths of the world all that is “useful,” without any of the baggage of belief in miracles, a theistic being...more
Angering everyone from fundamentalists to atheists, Alain de Botton’s Religion for Atheists attempts to approach various religions and take from them insights stripped of doctrine and orthodox faith.
Composed as an alternative to baby-with-the-bathwater style atheism, de Botton works to cull from faiths of the world all that is “useful,” without any of the baggage of belief in miracles, a theistic being...more
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Alain de Botton is a writer and television producer who lives in London and aims to make philosophy relevant to everyday life. He can be contacted by email directly via www.alaindebotton.com
He is a writer of essayistic books, which refer both to his own experiences and ideas- and those of artists, philosophers and thinkers. It's a style of writing that has been termed a 'philosophy of everyday lif...more
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He is a writer of essayistic books, which refer both to his own experiences and ideas- and those of artists, philosophers and thinkers. It's a style of writing that has been termed a 'philosophy of everyday lif...more
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