A Dangerous Method: The Story of Jung, Freud & Sabina Spielrein

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A Dangerous Method: The Story of Jung, Freud & Sabina Spielrein

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In 1907, Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung began what promised to be both a momentous collaboration and the deepest friendship of each man’s life. Six years later they were bitter antagonists, locked in a savage struggle that was as much personal and emotional as it was theoretical and professional. Between them stood a young woman named Sabina Spielrein, who had been both patie...more

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Published October 25th 2011 by Vintage Books (first published August 24th 1993)

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Dec 31, 2011 Cheryl rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: psychology, biography

This book, written by John Kerr in 1993, is a history of psychoanalysis, partial biographies of Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung and Sabina Speilrein, and the telling of the conflicted, unethical, competitive, and vengeful triangle of their relationships.

Freud and Jung's ambivalent professional relationship began in 1907 and ended formally at the Fourth International Psychoanalytic Congress in Munich in 1913. The first meeting is highlighted by thirteen hours of mutually engaging conversation; the last...more This book, written by John Kerr in 1993, is a history of psychoanalysis, partial biographies of Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung and Sabina Speilrein, and the telling of the conflicted, unethical, competitive, and vengeful triangle of their relationships.

Freud and Jung's ambivalent professional relationship began in 1907 and ended formally at the Fourth International Psychoanalytic Congress in Munich in 1913. The first meeting is highlighted by thirteen hours of mutually engaging conversation; the last is marked by silence between the two men who contributed to the emerging field with theories, proposals and professional papers. In between, the founders were competitive, hypocritical and ultimately vengeful in the fight to control the direction the theory would take and to claim the credit.

Sabina Spielrein was the nineteen year old daughter of a prosperous Jewish family from Russia sent to Zurich in 1904 for symptoms of hysteria, an all incompassing mental health diagnosis at the time. She began the "talking cure" with thirty year old Jung; their relationship became sexual within a year. Sabina's correspondence was found in the late nineteen-eighties which confirms the affair, and her subsequent appeal to Freud for understanding and perspective.

Sex between analysand and psychoanalyist was not without presidant, but Jung's subsequent incomplete admissions to Freud and rationalizations to Spielrein are extremely revealing of his lack of knowledge of self and the consequences to his patient.

At the end of their relationship, Jung feared Freud would use his knowledge of the affair to discredit him, and Freud believed Jung would expose Jung's belief that there was a sexual relationship between Freud and his sister-in-law who lived with the family and traveled with Freud on occasion.

Spielrein subsequently became the first female psychoanalyist who later joined Freud's prestigious Wednesday Analytic Society in Vienna before returning to Russia to open a children's clinic. Sabina and her two children were killed by the SS Death Squads in 1944.

Exhaustively researched and annotated, A MOST DANGEROUS METHOD educates on many levels and is a cautionary tale of the intensity built into the analytic relationship. Highly recommeded!

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Dec 26, 2012 Erik Graff rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition Recommends it for: historians of depth psychologies

Recommended to Erik by: no one

Shelves: psychology

This book will fascinate anyone interested in the personal biographies of Freud or Jung, most particularly in reference to their breakup. It will also be of interest to psychotherapists who will encounter transferences and counter-transferences in their practices as it is a case study of the phenomenon which Freud judged the sine qua non of successful therapy. Finally, it should be of interest to medical ethicists.

For over a decade I saw myself as training for a career as a psychotherapist, obta...more This book will fascinate anyone interested in the personal biographies of Freud or Jung, most particularly in reference to their breakup. It will also be of interest to psychotherapists who will encounter transferences and counter-transferences in their practices as it is a case study of the phenomenon which Freud judged the sine qua non of successful therapy. Finally, it should be of interest to medical ethicists.

For over a decade I saw myself as training for a career as a psychotherapist, obtaining three degrees in the process and related job and internship placements. Depth psychology was my theoretical predilection. Talking-therapy was my preferred method. Issues of meaning and purpose were the "psychological" problems I was most interested in. This overall orientation substantially abides, but I never became a psychotherapist.

The reason for this failure, I usually tell myself and others, was that the clinical aegis I had intended to work under, the pastoral counseling programs of the Unitarian-Universalist Association, were given up by the Church owing to financial constraints while I was still in seminary under the care of Donald Szantho Harrington. The UUA program would have allowed me to do therapy without the intrustion of money concerns. I would receive a modest, but adequate, salary. Clients would pay according to their abilities, the indigent paying nothing at all. Like Freud, I strongly believe that both analyst and analysand must be motivated for therapy to work. They must care, the analyst for the client, the client for him or herself. Therapy for a person is not like repair of an appliance.

This book brought into relief the possibility that it may have been more than my aversion to money matters that caused me to drift away from my intended career after the UUA option fell through. It may also have had something to do with what Freud called "the transference", what I just termed "care" and what others in day-to-day life call "love".

In the case of Freud, Jung and Spielrein this business of caring got way out of hand. Jung fell in love with his young, attractively intelligent patient. Spielrein fell in love with her psychiatrist. He betrayed his wedding vows, family obligations and, hopefully, conscience. Then, thinking better of it, he retracted his affections, betraying Spielrein. She, being much his junior and having no such obligations, would appear to be less at fault, but still was culpable for threatening his marriage. Freud, two decades older than Jung, probably repeated the configuration with the disappointed woman in his heart, but did not or could not act on it, sexually speaking, and actually served her in the sense of initially promoting her own career in psychiatry. But he also, according to Kerr, used the intimate secrets pertaining to her and Jung in his struggles for control of the psychoanalytic movement just as Jung used what he knew of Freud's own secrets to resist this control. All in all, not a pretty picture...But all of it understandable...

From this sordid, pathetic story I mostly focused on the sexual aspect at the time of reading and this because sexual infidelities hurt my own family and its members when I was growing up. If I was a therapist and if someone like the impressive Ms. Spielrein fell for me, would I be able to maintain objective distance while still effectively--which, of course, means truly--caring for her? Given the fact that I, unlike Jung, would have no wedding vows or family obligations to worry about, it seemed uncertain that I would. But, obviously, if I as a therapist became sexually involved with a client, then matters would become serious. Sex means the possiblity of pregnancy and pregnancy is entirely in the hands of the female. I would have to be open to this eventuality, ready to assume paternal responsiblity, open to marriage or its equivalent. Meanwhile, were I to continue to practice, I would be encountering this kind of temptation again and again in the transference. I would be in Jung's situation and the moral consequences of a lapse in such a future circumstance would be unconscienceable.

These considerations also obtain in everyday life. Indeed, I think--I inevitably feel--friendships ought have a therapeutic component. But in ordinary circumstances power relations are not distorted by titles, degrees, shows of special insight or expertise. Therapeutic concern between friends is a two-way street, the offices of friendship exchanged back and forth as appropriate to the circumstances. Relationships of such effective equality I could, I was reasonably certain, handle. Like most everyone else, I'd been managing pretty well for my entire adult life.

Romantic entanglements were extremely common in the early years of depth psychology. Professionally forbidden, virtually taboo, in contemporary American practice, they still occur, albeit even more furtively. The problematic remains and is probably insufficiently admitted and discussed with frank honesty. Obviously, there is a parallel here with the relations between clergy and laity, a matter which is currently being discussed quite a lot with great heat and little clarity.

The solution would appear to be obtainable with the removal of inequitous power relations and the numinosity associated with presumed powers, virtues and abilities presumed to be associated with titles and degrees. To be completely successful, such a solution would require a radical redistribution of wealth and democratization of society. Partial improvements would be found, however, in the demystification of the professions and of higher education, in the diminuation of the remuneration held appropriate for professionals, in the ethos of co-therapeutics whereby no hard and fast distinctions are made between roles and in, as stated, ongoing critical examination of cultural taboos.(less)

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Dec 30, 2012 Robin rated it 3 of 5 stars

This was not what I was expecting. I was under the impression that this would be a book in plain english that would discuss in detail the affair between Spielrein and Jung as well as their relationship with Freud. Instead, it read like a 500+ page essay written in psych jargon. Reading it was arduous as I had to put it down many times to think about what author John Kerr had written. in addition, there are many other psychologists mentioned and the text drifts to their stories. The book becomes...more

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Apr 14, 2012 Rob rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Kerr's history of the the birth of psychoanalysis told through the lens of the relationship between Jung, Freud, and Spielrien. It is a tragic mythology played out through the lives and psyches of all involved.

Everything stems from its genetic conditions, all is foretold in the birth, just awaiting explication. Psychoanalysis is the regressive attempt to uncover the conditions of this, the first and primordial trauma. Ill-fated attempts have been made to link it to dementia praecox (schizophren...more Kerr's history of the the birth of psychoanalysis told through the lens of the relationship between Jung, Freud, and Spielrien. It is a tragic mythology played out through the lives and psyches of all involved.

Everything stems from its genetic conditions, all is foretold in the birth, just awaiting explication. Psychoanalysis is the regressive attempt to uncover the conditions of this, the first and primordial trauma. Ill-fated attempts have been made to link it to dementia praecox (schizophrenia). Sexuality and mysticism where the modes of the psyche's expressive formation. For Freud it was all about control. The controlling of his 'followers' in establishing the core complex. For Jung there was more to it than mastery and fucking. There was religion, there was history, there was mythology -- instead of control there is the retreat to the mysteries of past. For Spielrein there was a connection between the two in the myth of Siegfried where the hero dies saving the woman who saved him. Then the woman dies to be with the hero and generate a proliferation of beings who, as the progeny of the traumatized, are freed from the neuroses of their parents. The entirety of the cycle of redemption is there. Three different people had three different interpretations of symbols. The myth played out their incestuous intermingling and cross-pollination.

Yet the story didn't quite play out as it did in Wagner. Freud ended up hating the Jung's Zurich school of psychoanalysis. Jung ended up having a nervous breakdown and suspecting Freud of having sex with his sister-in-law. Spielrein never renounced her attraction to Jung (who was her Siegfried). Jung ended up never admitting how much Speilrein's dissertation helped him escape Freud's tyrannical and paranoiac theory of Oedipus. What we are left with is the mythological making of an incredibly flawed discipline -- or is it practice, or is it art -- told through the epistolary of three deeply damaged individuals.

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Jun 28, 2012 Liam Guilar rated it 4 of 5 stars

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This is an enjoyable, very readable history of the early days of the psychoanalytical movement. It targets the “Intelligent general reader”. Kerr’s style is informal, conversational, and he manages to keep moving through the mass of material he has gathered. It is not a novel, or a love story. And how it was made into a film is an interesting question the trailer on youtube doesn't really answer.

Ironically Sabina Speilrein seems “off stage” even when she’s on it. This may be partially the resul...more

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Apr 28, 2012 Alexa rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: nonfiction

I'm not sure exactly how to review this book. Honestly, since Goodreads corresponds their stars to how much "I" liked it, as opposed to how "good" I thought it was (i.e. 4 stars means I "really liked it" as opposed to "very good"), I'm almost tempted to give it three stars, even though I also thought "it was amazing."

But perhaps I'm over-thinking the star thing.

Anyway, the book is amazing. The author is knowledgeable to an almost frightening degree, and the background he provides on both Jung an...more

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Jan 28, 2012 Adriana rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: psicologia, biografia, freudiano, junguiano

"Algumas vezes, quando uma pessoa não consegue se fazer entender, é possível que a culpa seja dela própria. Talvez por estar falando de forma obscura; talvez por reclamar demais; talvez por falar de forma muito pessoal. E, talvez, Spielrein pudesse ser incluída nos três casos. Mas, analisando bem, não se pode culpá-la por sua incapacidade de conquistar o reconhecimento para suas conclusões sobre a repressão; os culpados foram Freud e Jung. Preocupados com suas próprias teorias, e cada um com o o...more

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Jun 04, 2012 Kit rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: recentlyread

This is a phenomenal work of intellectual history, strongly feminist in both its rehabilitation of a forgotten woman psychoanalyst and in its persistent uncovering of the roots of supposedly universal theories in particular historical and personal experiences.

An amazing story and an intensively demanding read. I was especially thrilled by Kerr's interpretations of Jung and Spielrein's private symbolism and of certain signs and symptoms evinced by each theorist's various public writings and priv...more

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Apr 03, 2013 Eddy Allen rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

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Mar 03, 2013 Carl rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

A dense plodding difficult read whch demands much of its reader but offers much to those who stick it out. I came at this book from the wrong direction. Having seen Cronenberg's film A Dangerous Method (LOOSELY based on this book and the play the Talking Cure) I expected this book to be mostly about the troika of Jung-Freud-Spielrein relationship and only tangentially about pyschoanalysis(what the movie was more or less). The ratio in the book is much the reverse- mostly about the birth of pysch...more

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Jun 20, 2012 Ann rated it 2 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: stopped-reading

I began this book thinking how incredible it would be to know so much about these influential men of their time. I was also incredibly intrigued by Spielrein's role and subsequent professional life having known each man so personally on professional and intimate levels. However, as I kept reading, I was bogged down by the verbiage and the minutiae of details and people incorporated into the history. While I am impressed by Kerr's devotion to accuracy, I was too overwhelmed to finish the book. Ab...more

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Aug 05, 2012 Kaye Spencer rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition Recommends it for: readers with previous knowledge/experience in psychology and/or psychiatry

This book caught my interest because I have an educational background in psychology and a particular fascination with Freud and Jung. However, readers without a basic grounding in psychology may find the reading somewhat challenging and, at times, even daunting due to its depth of investigation into the world of Freudian and Jungian psychology. I read the book after having watched the movie staring Viggo Mortensen, Michael Fassbender, and Keira Knightly,and many unanswered questions (in my mind)...more

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Nov 13, 2012 Val rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: bright-young-things

This book is about the development of psychoanalysis and not about whether Sabina Spielrein had kinky rumpy-pumpy with Carl Jung. It is not the book of the film.
It does include Sabrina's memory of her father spanking her brother and her fantasies about him also spanking her, as this was written up as one of Jung's test cases. (It is not clear whether the father ever actually spanked his daughter as well as his son.)

There are a lot of test cases, with several of the doctors analysing themselves a...more

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May 10, 2012 Rob rated it 3 of 5 stars

Kerr's history of the birth of psychoanalysis told through the lens of the relationship between Jung, Freud, and Spielrein. It is a tragic mythology played out through the lives and psyches of an inherently dysfunctional symbolic machine.

Everything stems from its genetic conditions, all is foretold in the birth, just awaiting explication. The explication is also the formation. Psychoanalysis is the regressive attempt to uncover the conditions of the first and primordial trauma. It is the formati...more Kerr's history of the birth of psychoanalysis told through the lens of the relationship between Jung, Freud, and Spielrein. It is a tragic mythology played out through the lives and psyches of an inherently dysfunctional symbolic machine.

Everything stems from its genetic conditions, all is foretold in the birth, just awaiting explication. The explication is also the formation. Psychoanalysis is the regressive attempt to uncover the conditions of the first and primordial trauma. It is the formation of the self by means of a putative uncovering of the origin. Sexuality and mysticism were the modes of the psyche's expressive formation. For Freud it was all about control. His was a logic that operated through assent. There is one instance where Freud refused to disclose his dreams to Jung because he thought that it would undermine his authority. There is also Freud’s failure to formalize a methodology of psychoanalysis – such a formalization could be critiqued, and it is better to keep things on shifting sands for the controlling a fearful mind. For Jung the impetus to control took a different course. Retreat and then retreat again, forever into the past. There was the dream were Jung saw Freud as a dead official – the mute overseer whose authority could not be challenged. But the quest for origin operates as a challenge so Jung went on to his analysis of Miller’s images which seemed to take us back to the primordial labyrinth of symbols echoing off one another. And then there was Spielrein. She was the emissary sent from Zurich to Vienna to forge a connection between Freud and Jung. For her it was the Siegfried myth where the hero dies saving the woman who saved him. In the final scene the woman dies to be with her hero. Jung was Spielrein’s Siegfried, and the transcendence was to be found in uncovering the core of the myth where sex and mysticism form a unity. The entirety of the cycle of redemption is there. Each of the three attempted to uncover the core of the human psyche, and each only succeeded in inventing themselves as people who, despite their postures to the contrary, were fragmented to the core.

The danger of their method was due to the danger of semiotics. Any presentation of signs may be linked up in any old way. All we need is coherence. Yet coherence is not truth, or, at least, it is not the only truth. A group of signs, like a group of parts for a mysterious machine, is properly judged by their effect. Does this grouping work together? Yes? Fine, what does it produce? In the case of Freud it produced a paranoiac who chaired secret societies within societies – a fearful man always stepping back from things. Jung produced the obscurities contained in the third part of his Transformations and Symbols of the Libido and then spent the next few years trying to get over his visions of a blood red tide sweeping through Europe. Spielrein got married and faded from the field of psychoanalysis, never getting the recognition she deserved. No-where is there the happily ever after of a unified psyche. Everywhere there is the machine breaking down and producing the monstrosities of three figures in a desperate struggle toward goals that are impossible to achieve.

Perhaps this is the true beauty of the psychoanalytic machine; it produces the spectacle of a psychic annihilation through false promises. Spielrein came broken, and Jung promised to fix her. Freud came as a lecturer from the basements of the b’nai brith and he promised to anoint Jung as his intellectual heir. Jung hinted at the promise of legitimating Freud’s ideas by giving them the stamp of a non-Jew in anti-Semitic times. Nobody kept their promises. The beauty of Kerr’s tale, if there is any beauty at all, is its message that a perfected machine of symbolic representations is just as false a god as the one advanced in early psychoanalysis.
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Feb 06, 2012 Elizabeth Holter rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Fascinating look at the personalities of Freud and Jung, and at the place and time and milieu which gave us their theories. Reads like a PhD thesis - a very well written one- but the rigorous documentation used to bolster the story and the conclusions gets in the way of a "good read," and gives the book a tedious, repetitive feel. Worth it for the reader who wants to better understand the way ideas germinate and spread. Three stars may be a little low for the amount of information and education...more

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Apr 09, 2012 Daniel Farabaugh rated it 1 of 5 stars · review of another edition

I just cannot continue reading this book. The back and forth between the two protagonists is not particularly engaging and the author fails to put this into a larger context. I still really do not know what the role of the woman is in the whole story. It has just degenerated into a series of minutia from letters written back and forth.

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Jul 08, 2012 Michael rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

I've read a number of books about Jung, and this is the best by far. It also casts a bright light on Freud. There was a 2012 film based on this book but it left out 90% of what's in the book, plus added a bunch of sensational/sensual stuff that's not in the book. I liked the movie but don't let it influence whether you decided to read this book.

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Nov 21, 2012 Elizabeth Moffat rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

An interesting account of Freud and Jung and "the woman who came between them!" Except she didn't. Not REALLY. I haven't seen the film but they always try to sex these things up don't they? With some fascinating insights into the world of psycho-analysis, I was intrigued by this book, and although a bit dry at times, think it would appeal to lovers of psychology.

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Oct 07, 2012 Luke Griffin rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

This was interesting but some parts of it were a bit hard to follow because of a lack of historical context. I ended up spending a lot of time on wikipedia so it took a while to get through. It was worth the effort though.

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Oct 29, 2011 Kasey N'her rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Reads like a very long thesis. Its not a novel, do not expect conversation, depictions of place and time, etc. This book, while fascinating, can be a difficult read for those without prior knowledge of a theoretical base in psychology and previous practice at reading and deciphering research.

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Aug 24, 2012 Mary rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

An interesting look at the"human" side of both Jung and Freud. Seemed rather hard to fathom, that a very sick patient winds up being a love object for Jung, and goes on to be an analyst herself.

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Jun 06, 2010 Sandra aka Sleo rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Excellent book with thorough research about the foibles and frailties of early psychoanalytic icons and the way they use/used women.

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Sep 19, 2012 Sarrah rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

The original documentary of Sabina Spielrein was captivating. Not to be to closely compared to A Most Dangerous Method.

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Aug 08, 2011 Shinji007 rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: psychology

It is a fascinating account of two brilliant men and a clashing of identities. Sex, hidden liaisons; it's all here!

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Nov 10, 2012 Veronika marked it as to-read · review of another edition

Tohle si chci tak moc přečíst! Úžasný film, skvělý příběh,a le ta tloušťka knihy mě odrazuje :D

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Aug 18, 2012 Jacqueline rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

An excellent, well-worth-the-effort-to-persevere-read, for an in-depth understanding of the personalities of Jung and Freud and a very belated understanding of the importance of Sabina Spielrein.

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Jul 30, 2012 Lucrezia rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Troppa, troppa ,carne sul fuoco , può essere interessante ma è davvero molto confusionario ....

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May 14, 2012 Zabetta Camilleri rated it 2 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Thought it was more about the 'love story' as in the movie. This book is much more about the actual physiologists. A bit weird though, seems to be more interested in saying who went where when etc than their actual school of thought

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Feb 16, 2012 M. rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Personal politics/philosophy as science with a side of spanking.

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Nov 22, 2012 Jane Baker rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Finally! I Finally finished it. Kerr is amazing to have written something so detailed and long! As it says - about the relationship between Jung, Freud and Sprielrein. It looks like a drama, it is sort of, but not what you think. I can't wait to see what hollywood have done to it. It's dense and about theory. Ever so often you would get a hit of drama. Freud is such a...I just can't describe the politic bickering, psychoanalyzing as a religion of Freud.

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“Sometimes when a person is not being heard, it is appropriate to blame him or her. Perhaps he or she is speaking obscurely; perhaps he is claiming too much; perhaps she is speaking rather too personally. And one can, perhaps, charge Spielrein on all three counts. But, on balance, her inability to win recognition for her insight into repression was not her fault; it was Freud’s and Jung’s. Preoccupied with their own theories, and with each other, the two men simply did not pause even to take in the ideas of this junior colleague let alone to lend a helping hand in finding a more felicitous expression for her thought. More ominously still, both men privately justified their disregard by implicitly casting her once more into the role of patient, as though that role somehow precluded a person from having a voice or a vision of his or her own. It was and remains a damning comment on how psychoanalysis was evolving that so unfair a rhetorical maneuver, one so at odds with the essential genius of the new therapeutic method, came so easily to hand. In the great race between Freud and Jung to systematize psychoanalytic theory, to codify it once and for all, a simpler truth was lost sight of: Sometimes a person is not heard because she is not listened to.” — 2 people liked it

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