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Liars and Outliers: Enabling the Trust that Society Needs to Thrive

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How does society function when you can't trust everyone? When we think about trust, we naturally think about personal relationships or bank vaults. That's too narrow. Trust is much broader, and much more important. Nothing in society works without trust. It's the foundation of communities, commerce, democracy—everything.

In this insightful and entertaining book, Schneier we...more
Hardcover, 348 pages
Published February 1st 2012 by John Wiley & Sons (first published January 1st 2012)
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สนุกดี พูดถึงกลไกที่ผลักดันให้คนทำตาม "ผลประโยชน์ของกลุ่ม" (group interest) ว่ามีสี่ประเภท คือ moral, reputational,institutional และ security เช่น ผลประโยชน์ของกลุ่มคือ "ไม่ให้สังคมมีขโมยมากเกินไป" ก็ต้องใช้ทั้งการตอกย้ำว่าการขโมยผิดศีลธรรม (moral), ประณามขโมยให้เสียชื่อเสียง (reputational), ออกกฏหมายและใช้ตำรวจจับขโมย (institutional) และติดตั้งล็อคและสัญญาณกันขโมยตามบ้าน (security)

ในสี่ประเภทนี้ กลไกชนิด moral, reputational "เบสิก" ที่สุด ใช้ได้แต่เฉพาะสังคมที่ยังมีขนาดเล็ก เช่น ระดับหมู่บ้าน เ...more
James
Bruce Schneier is, according to the quote from the Register on the inside sleeve notes, "The closest thing the security industry has to a Rock Star." And, like the actor Chuck Norris, Schneier is the only other person I'm aware of who has his own 'facts' website. Listing page after page of dubious, but sometimes amusing, facts about Bruce's encryption super-powers. Although jokes about encryption probably have a fairly narrow audience Bruce Schneier Facts gives us my personal favourite: "Bruce S...more
Richard
The human world is strongly conditioned by beliefs, attitudes and cognitive biases that we received from our evolutionary heritage. This topic has been one of the focal points of my reading for several years now, and I can attest that Bruce Schneier’s Liars and Outliers: Enabling the Trust that Society Needs to Thrive serves as an excellent overview.

The book’s dust jacket tells us that Schneier is a “security technologist”; his wikipedia page clarifies that he is a cryptographer and computer sec...more
Josh Hamacher
It pains me slightly to rate this book three stars, as I've been a fan of Bruce Schneier for years. I've subscribed to his newsletter since at least 1999 and enjoyed every issue. Unfortunately this book reads like a newsletter article that has been stretched, through repetition, to the length of a short book.

It's very well-written and is a fast read; Schneier has a real knack for explaining potentially complicated concepts clearly and simply. The thesis, that societies and organizations apply a...more
Matt Brown
An interesting read, but nothing ground breaking if you're a following of Bruce Schneier's blog or have read any of his opinion columns regarding trust and security.

The book covers the concepts of trust, and security and examines our natural instincts in relation to these often fail in the face of new technology and the growth of society. Much time is spent examining various difficult to solve social dilemmas in the context of this, and the introduction of background material from the fields of...more
Eduardo Santiago
It feels slightly disturbing to read this book so soon after Fukuyama's Trust and even more so the same week that This American Life aired episode 459, What Kind of Country, in which they chronicle disturbing societal breakdowns. Schneier covers trust, tradeoffs, more (and more interesting!) Prisoner's Dilemma discussion than any three books on Game Theory, evolutionary theory, economics, politics, current affairs.

What I found most interesting was his frank discussion of scaling problems: Trust...more
Scott
I've read Schneier's work online at his blog, so when I saw he was publishing a book, I said "Sure! He writes well, discusses topics relevant to my interests in security and process."

Reading this, I got a wonderful 101 book that collects a wide breadth of theories, generalizations, and examples of how society works and balances the need to create norms, maintain norms, and pervert those norms to innovate, as well as how the parasites who take advantage of those norms exist.

Unfortunately, I was r...more
Jur
Sep 26, 2014 Jur rated it 4 of 5 stars
Shelves: own
We learn to trust strangers from a very young age. Not just uncles, cousins and neighbours, but also teachers, policemen, doctors and even newsreaders on TV. Compared to our ancestors and other animal species, humans have raised trust to unknown heights. Bruce Schneier , in his new book Liars & Outliers, takes us on a tour of how that trust came to be, how it manages to work in the majority of cases and why it doesn’t work in the rest.

Schneier uses Francis Fukuyama’s definition of trust, whi...more
Yune
I think you'll lean toward this one or not depending on how the subject matter interests you: what impetus is there for societies and communities to function together for the common good? What about those (defectors) who don't follow the rules or prefer to pursue their own selfish profit?

Full of bullet points and pro-con charts, this book leans toward pedagogical in tone, although it's fairly approachable. (I'd call it easy to read as opposed to enjoyable.) Its view is a bit self-admittedly simp...more
Michael Burnam-fink
When I heard that the author of the absolutely brilliant Secrets and Lies was turning his slantwise gaze from computer networks to society as a whole, I was excited. These days, security is a big business, and problems of insecurity bedevil the future. Schneier lays out his framework for how trust is required modern society function, and how the liars and outliers of the title abuse trust for their own advantage.

It is not that this is a bad book, but it is very general. Yes, we use morality, rep...more
Nilesh
The book effectively theorizes that almost all real life activities are an expression of "trust" or "security". Adam Smith would claim all real life activities as an effort to further economic interest. Richard Dawkins would make them an evolution thing. Some pope might believe in the religious meanings and some Plato in moral. All these might be valid even if narrow perspectives from particular vantage points, except that trust/security is exceptionally uninteresting, ridiculously narrow and of...more
Bryan Murdock
I was excited to read this book by the legend himself (http://www.schneierfacts.com/). The ideas are important, but it felt like death by examples reading this. The whole book is basically this: present a point and then tell 100 different little stories that back up the point and make it more clear, and then, if like me, you can't resist a good footnote you get about 100 more stories for each point. Many of the stories where interesting and did help bring the points home, but man oh man, for me...more
Alan
Dec 21, 2012 Alan rated it 4 of 5 stars
Recommends it for: Competing interests
Recommended to Alan by: Reputation; Roberta
This may be one of the most important books you'll never read.

In Liars and Outliers, Bruce Schneier (known—and with good reason—to The Register as "The closest thing the security industry has to a rock star") has produced a remarkably clear-eyed and dispassionate assessment of one of the most critical issues facing the human species—the fact that the notions of trust and security that served us well enough when we were scattered tribes of hunters and farmers do not scale up to the numbers and ki...more
John Schwabacher
Note: The edition I read has the subtitle Enabling the Trust That Society Needs to Thrive.

My good friend Jim Wiggins recommended this book highly. I found it interesting and very logical, but not earth-shattering. I did find myself wondering if that is because I haven't dealt with the issues involved before and just don't realize the contribution he's making.

Everything is laid out in a very logical structure.
Bruce Schneier discusses trust as a necessary part of society and points out how much we...more
Mitchell
Disappointing. I expect more from this author and perhaps when he leaves his field of cryptography and to some extent computer security, I shouldn't. This book did have moments of brilliance - it kind of caught its stride around part 3 - but lost it before getting to the final section. So what was wrong? First of all it was basically a psychology book but written first-person and chatty as though it were a bad high school paper. And I've got a lot of familiarity with a lot of this material - and...more
Mary
Jul 11, 2014 Mary rated it 3 of 5 stars
Shelves: 2014
I chose to read this book because I have been contemplating the interface of trust and justice in my thinking. Schneier is a bit pedantic but the themes are consistent and the last two chapters are worth reading more than once because they get to core concerns about how a society orders itself and how this is changing given our technological innovations. It also points out that in spite of rapid technological advances, the human heart remains remarkable consistent in seeking its own good. Remind...more
Joe
The blurb inside the back cover explains that "Bruce Schneier is an internationally renowned security technologist who studies the human side of security...prolific author...has testified before Congress...frequent guest on TV and radio...regularly quoted in the press." The subtitle of the book called out to me, but the book was not exactly a page turner for me. I reckon I plodded through it because I felt it is an important subject and I was hoping for some hope. My sense was that it was a rath...more
Nils
A very good book on the basic social challenge of security, which provides a basic framework for thinking through the various "pressures" that are available for preventing people from "defecting" into anti-social behavior. There are basically four: moral pressures, reputational pressures, institutional pressures, and technological pressures. These work at different scales, with the former working better at smaller group scales, and the latter being generally more effective at bigger scales.

The b...more
Kevin
As a cybersecurity professional, I follow his blog once in a while at https://www.schneier.com/. He's got a lot of good stuff to say, so I thought I'd give this book a try.

I find Schneier's writing thought-provoking and interesting, but a bit redundant at times. Regardless of the redundancy present in this book, there's no question that he is very intelligent and articulate and does a great deal of research for his writing.

In this book, Schneier tries to tackle the "security gap" in a somewhat r...more
Carol
Bruce Schneier has been called the "rock star" of security experts. Why do people abide by group norms most of the time, and what makes them defect? Is a certain rate of defection tolerable, desirable, and sometimes necessary for social change? Why do people become adulterers, thieves, terrorists, or whistleblowers? Most of the time, moral, reputational, and institutional controls limit people's defection from social norms; when these are insufficient, security measures may be required. The larg...more
Andreas
An absolutely amazing book that I recommend everyone reads. It goes into deep detail about why the security structure of society is changing right now, and what we could do against that change.
Paul Bonamy
Liars and Outliers isn't about how to 'fix' society. Nor is it about detecting when we're being conned, or, necessarily, how to protect oneself from confidence men or savvy scammers. Liars and Outliers is about something rather more fundamental: trust. In order for society to flourish - be it a small farming community or the vast, global society we're developing now - people have to be able to trust one another to do the 'right' thing, whatever that is, most of the time. We have to work together...more
Curtis
I'm a fan of Bruce Schneier, I've followed his blog for years, and I enjoy his moderate and practical approach to various security issues. So when he offered signed copies of his latest book at a discounted price in exchange for a review, I jumped at the opportunity.

Overall, I quite enjoyed this book. Perhaps because I'm already familiar, and agree, with many of his ideas, I didn't find too many surprising ideas here. Nonetheless, Schneier does a great job of laying out a broad, fairly consiste...more
Michael
Schneier takes us into the science and art of game theory and explains how social structures adapt to the increasing scale of human society in ways that either enhance social trust, allowing society to thrive or increase the probability of "defection" causing it to become more fragile. Cooperation is based on trust and as society gets larger more complex mechanisms are necessary to keep trust strong. Institutional pressure and security mechanisms have evolved to address this as our societies hav...more
Jordan
For a topic that I've often seen presented in very dry prose, Schneier has done a commendable job of making it accessible. While he's known primarily for his work in computer security, this book doesn't concentrate on technology or the digital world, and it is all the better for it. For one thing, its appeal is broadened. More importantly, though, its concepts can be applied to both the physical and digital realms, and restricting the book's purview to digital issues would have been a waste of i...more
Sdluvingit
I've been reading a bit in the area of evolutionary psychology recently and thinking about the nature and current state of group interactions. The political and social climate in the US seems to be about as bad as it ever has been and the level of disillusion in institutions and lack of trust between groups seems to be growing exponentially. So, in light of these thought processes, I came across Bruce Schneier's book talking about trust in today's world and how security, the lack of or excessive...more
Rose
The first chapters of Liars and Outliers: Enabling the Trust That Society Needs to Thrive by Bruce Schneier, a book about the how and why of trust in today's world, were tough going but the balance of the book is well worth the effort. The work seems to be a psychological/sociological description and explanation of how trust comes to be. It seems to be a philosophical work as the author puts forth his ideas about how "defection" from the group expectations can be a positive and/or a negative - f...more
Jack
I'm a Bruce Schneier fan. I read his blog regularly and I think he's one of the smartest and most forward thinking security experts working today. I bought this book without even looking.

Perhaps I should have. It wasn't what I expected and because of that, I was let down and disappointed. Which reflects in my low rating. It's certainly a well written book and well researched and makes very good points. Too bad it wasn't very interesting to me.

Schneier normally writes about security, and his bl...more
Duncan
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A new book from Bruce Schneier - the man who coined the term security theatre that has since made it's way into the mainstream lexicon.

In short - Liars & Outliers is good - really good. Schneier comes from a computer security background, but he has gone much bigger picture with this book. Fundamentally it's a book about trust - why we trust each other, what mechanisms we have in society to ensure that we do trust each other, and how these fail sometime...more
Mike
In his latest book Mr. Schneier explores the trust systems that have been built over the centuries that have made our complex society possible.

We've gone from a personalized trust system where we personally knew most people we interacted with. Small tribal societies where survival depended on each tribe memeber and each member knowing who will do what to help the tribe survive.

Then to societies where specialization developed. We knew most people we dealt with. We knew our storekeeper, our phar...more
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