Греки и иррациональное
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Греки и иррациональное

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Книга современного английского филолога-классика Эрика Робертсона Доддса "Греки и иррациональное" (1949) стремится развеять миф об исключительной рациональности древних греков; опираясь на примеры из сочинений древнегреческих историков, философов, поэтов, она показывает огромное значение иррациональных моментов в жизни античного человека. Автор исследует отношение греков к...more
Hardcover, 320 pages
Published 2000 by Университетская книга (first published 1951)
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Erik Graff
Apr 28, 2014 Erik Graff rated it 4 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: classicists
Recommended to Erik by: no one
Shelves: psychology
Dodds was a classicist and member of the Society for Psychical Research who apparently got fed up enough with the hackneyed portrayal of the classical Greeks as rationalists to pen this popular study of the irrational elements of their culture and beliefs. It's an easy read and somewhat of an antidote to the usual picture given students in high school and introductory college courses.
Despite its age, this work by Dodds is still considered a seminal text for students of Greek history and classics. The usual survey-level understanding of the Greeks is that they were a culture which always put rationality on a pedestal at the expense of all else and ultimately ignored the irrational until well after the passing of the classical period. Dodds corrects this view, showing irrational impulses and institutions which were more widely accepted during the Archaic, Classical, and Hellen...more
Matthew Gallaway
I read this book four times in a row. The premise is that the advent of Socratic rationalism did not lead to an enlightened society (at least outside of an intellectual elite) in ancient Greece, but somewhat disastrously led to a popular/mainstream backlash that ushered in a new society that became increasingly irrational, superstitious, and fundamentalist (not to mention lacking in innovation from scientific and artistic perspectives) in ways that have amazing parallels to divisions in modern s...more
A book I quite enjoyed, though I would not recommend it to many non-Classicists, as it is rather dry and scholarly - Dodds' book explores expressions of and reactions to the irrational in ancient Greek culture. Topics addressed include everything from strong emotions ("ate," "menos," the role of "thumos" and "psyche," kai ta loipa) to dreams to divine possession and madness (there's even an appendix on the Maenads). If you're a professional Hellenist, it's definitely worth a look, I'd say - if y...more
Strong 3 stars,awesome research, some interesting and important conclusions that generalize a little too much for the liking of most, particularly in literature
Mary Catelli
A book on a somewhat loose and heterogeneous collection of concepts. Then, it was to combat the pop culture image of the Greeks as the perfect culture of rationality that the Enlightenment is so blameworthy for coming up with. (The middle ages get the equally and oppositely ridiculous image of the world of irrationality; for that I recommend C. S. Lewis's The Discarded Image.) To be sure, it uses the loose-goosey, pop culture notion of what's rationality and irrationality, but then, so does the...more
Dec 28, 2010 Shinynickel marked it as to-read  ·  review of another edition
Off this review: http://thebrowser.com/interviews/mary...

Can you describe what your first book, The Greeks and the Irrational, is about?

This is one of the books that made me decide that Classics was worth spending a lifetime on. It starts with this extraordinary anecdote which is very meaningful for many readers. Dodds was at an exhibition of the Elgin Marbles at the British Museum and he got talking to a schoolboy. The boy told him: “I know it’s a terrible thing to say, but I don’t really like...more
Lots of interesting tidbits, the description of dionisian ecstasy on page 273 gives headbanging in heavymetal a classical precedent it seems :)
κάλλος!! St. Basil would affirm.
Interesting book, I enjoyed similarities between ancient "irrational" beliefs and modern "irrational" beliefs. This book was enjoyable for me even though I do not read greek and there are greek quotes on almost every page. The book would be much more enjoyable outside greek speaking or scholarly audiences if the non-english quotes were translated in footnotes. I read this book because it was mentioned on the the Julian Jaynes Sociey website. In regards to understanding Jaynes' theories the book...more
Jul 01, 2008 Amy marked it as to-read  ·  review of another edition
I bought this book on a one click impulse a while back. I was reading an essay in the New Yorker or something snobby like the Atlantic. The writer was recalling the library of his friends father. The father was erudite and cool, the friend was a classic Andover jock. The writer told the father that he was a classics major and the father walked to shelf and pull out this book. The writer said the book was a pivot point in his classical career. I insta ordered the book despite having no interest i...more
Ivan Soto
The book comprehensively documents the many ways in which the Greeks, by many considered the founders of Western rationalism, were as thoroughly superstitions as anybody else. You have to be into the classics to enjoy this book. I enjoyed it a lot and really learned a lot about the superstitious ways of the Greeks from the 800's through the 300's BCE, mostly.
Adrian Colesberry
Very interesting review of Greek philosophy and culture that critiques our standard view of them as being completely rational in their thinking, as the title implies. Well written and easy to follow, even if you're not knee-deep in Greek philosophy.
An absolutely necessary book for anyone interested in having a framework for understanding Classical Greek Literature. It is a standard, and it is excellent--though definitely in the Greek Geek category.
Greeks and the Irrational by E.R. Dodds (1951)
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