Rule 34 (Halting State #2)
by
Charles Stross (Goodreads Author)
Detective Inspector Liz Kavanaugh is head of the Rule 34 Squad, monitoring the Internet to determine whether people are engaging in harmless fantasies or illegal activities. Three ex-con spammers have been murdered, and Liz must uncover the link between them before these homicides go viral.
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Mar 05, 2013
Gwen Nicodemus
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5 of 5 stars
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Recommends it for:
Sci Fi fans
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The second Liz Kavanaugh book is a loose sequel to Halting State. Just like Halting State, Rule 34 is written entirely in a shifting perspective, second person present tense. This makes it hard to really connect to them, but Rule 34 is mostly about its world-building, ideas and technology.
DI Liz Kavanaugh: You realise policing internet porn is your life and your career went down the pan five years ago. But when a fetishist dies on your watch, the Rule 34 Squad moves from low priority to worrying...more
The second-person present tense the book is written in is tough to handle, but despite that I still enjoyed the (audio) book. Even so, I'm not sure I'd read another book written in this style. Each sentence that starts with "You" feels like a slap and pulls me out of the story. You do this, You do that...it's as if someone is ordering me around.
Stross, though, is great at creating deeply flawed characters and getting us to care about them. Not just flawed, but also incredibly stupid, and in som...more
Stross, though, is great at creating deeply flawed characters and getting us to care about them. Not just flawed, but also incredibly stupid, and in som...more
This is a police procedural novel set in Edinburgh, capital of the independent nation of Scotland, some time in the very near future - "near future" as in about 10 years from today, i.e., 2013. This is a future of "3-D" copy machines, near artificial intelligence, and globalization and surveillance gone wild. The story follows Borders and Lothian Detective Inspector Liz Cavanaugh as she is sucked into a highly improbable murder of a person loosely connected to local organized crime.
Liz's usual b...more
Liz's usual b...more
Rule 34: If you can think of it, there's porn of it.
Now there's a good start to the cover blurb!
Charles Stross is well on the way to becoming one of my favourite authors. This book is set in the same world (a near-future Edinburgh) as “Halting State” (which I must also review some time soon). Near-future – much of the technology used is already around, though not integrated and not widespread because it is still VERY expensive – but it is there, so the probability that most (maybe all) of the b...more
Now there's a good start to the cover blurb!
Charles Stross is well on the way to becoming one of my favourite authors. This book is set in the same world (a near-future Edinburgh) as “Halting State” (which I must also review some time soon). Near-future – much of the technology used is already around, though not integrated and not widespread because it is still VERY expensive – but it is there, so the probability that most (maybe all) of the b...more
Two thirds of the way through the book, you start to get Stross's main vision of the novel. And you realize it is quite grand, intricate and even plausible in the near future. And I do mean you - the entire novel is written in the second person perspective following about five different characters through the story.
I see how the storytelling perspective interweaves with the main theory (your AI based spam filter is telling you what to do, essentially, and the storyteller is telling you the story...more
I see how the storytelling perspective interweaves with the main theory (your AI based spam filter is telling you what to do, essentially, and the storyteller is telling you the story...more
Set in an almost-independent Scotland the week after next, Rule 34 is a multi-stranded second-person narrative about an algorithm run wild. I'd not read the earlier book in the series, but didn't feel the lack. I've read bits and pieces by Stross before, and my reactions have been mixed.
Sometimes Charles Stross' worlds are so far beyond ours they're hard to recognise, but the world of Rule 34 is all-too-familiar.
The narrative switches around between characters who are connected but don't know i...more
Sometimes Charles Stross' worlds are so far beyond ours they're hard to recognise, but the world of Rule 34 is all-too-familiar.
The narrative switches around between characters who are connected but don't know i...more
Rule 34 requires a bit of time to get used to. Written in the 2nd person, it reads like a "Choose Your Own Adventure" story. I had a hard time with it at first, but gradually got used to the format along with a constant switching between characters. Stross is a huge fan of detailed explanations and there are a few spots that things slow down because of it.
Overall the story is strong; weaving politics, technology, economics and crime into a compelling narrative. There were a lot of things that...more
Overall the story is strong; weaving politics, technology, economics and crime into a compelling narrative. There were a lot of things that...more
You open Rule 34 expecting a police procedural, and indeed, that's how it starts out. It's a police procedural twenty-one minutes into the future: one minute, plus five years, more from the settings of its predecessor Halting State, although the police only solve a few minor crimes, never the major one.
At first, the book is annoying: it's too pat, too convenient. There are too damned many coincidences, too many characters who know too much about each other, run into each other too often, and oft...more
At first, the book is annoying: it's too pat, too convenient. There are too damned many coincidences, too many characters who know too much about each other, run into each other too often, and oft...more
Reviewed as part of the 2012 Arthur C. Clarke Award shortlist.
Charles Stross returns to the near-future Edinburgh of his 2007 novel Halting State for this police procedural (though I’ve not read the earlier book, I don’t believe there is any substantial crossover between the two). A decade from now, DI Liz Kavanaugh’s CID career has stalled as she’s currently heading up the Innovative Crime Investigation Unit (or ‘Rule 34 Squad’), which investigates crime based on the spreading of internet memes...more
Charles Stross returns to the near-future Edinburgh of his 2007 novel Halting State for this police procedural (though I’ve not read the earlier book, I don’t believe there is any substantial crossover between the two). A decade from now, DI Liz Kavanaugh’s CID career has stalled as she’s currently heading up the Innovative Crime Investigation Unit (or ‘Rule 34 Squad’), which investigates crime based on the spreading of internet memes...more
I added this to my to-read list after Christopher Priest wrote the following paragraph about its nomination for an Arthur C. Clarke Award:
"It is indefensible that a novel like Charles Stross’s Rule 34 should be given apparent credibility by an appearance in the Clarke shortlist. Stross writes like an internet puppy: energetically, egotistically, sometimes amusingly, sometimes affectingly, but always irritatingly, and goes on being energetic and egotistical and amusing for far too long. You wait...more
"It is indefensible that a novel like Charles Stross’s Rule 34 should be given apparent credibility by an appearance in the Clarke shortlist. Stross writes like an internet puppy: energetically, egotistically, sometimes amusingly, sometimes affectingly, but always irritatingly, and goes on being energetic and egotistical and amusing for far too long. You wait...more
Charles Stross is a man who has a giant brain. I am convinced that there is a portion of his massive intellect that sits outside our world, unseen by humanity, which spans dimensions and finds details that my soul, continually reeling, finds amazing with each passing word.
I took such a journey while reading "Rule 34", a sequel to "Halting State", which is set in the same universe/timeline. The title refers to the understood internet rule that for ANYTHING on the net, there's corresponding porn....more
I took such a journey while reading "Rule 34", a sequel to "Halting State", which is set in the same universe/timeline. The title refers to the understood internet rule that for ANYTHING on the net, there's corresponding porn....more
Mar 13, 2012
Tim Mayer
rated it
5 of 5 stars
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review of another edition
Recommended to Tim by:
timothymayer
It's not often enough I get to read a book which literally blows me away. Rule 34 is such a novel: original, entertaining, futuristic, amok, but optimistic enough to keep the reader involved. There's an assortment of characters, all of who are interesting enough for the story to flow. It's already had a number of good reviews. I'm now motivated to read more books from the author.
Scotland: the near future (10-20 years). Another Great Recession has left the world spinning. Most of Europe has devol...more
Scotland: the near future (10-20 years). Another Great Recession has left the world spinning. Most of Europe has devol...more
Mar 11, 2012
Lorena
rated it
3 of 5 stars
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review of another edition
Shelves:
science-fiction,
mystery
I'm not sure why I didn't like this one quite as much as Halting State; it had much of the same pacing, certainly also told in second person (which as with Halting State didn't bother me as much as others), and has a few of the same characters. I did like it, mind you; just not as much as the first one. I think, perhaps, I could have done with maybe two less points-of-view - occasionally I would be a page into a chapter and realize it wasn't in the head of the person I thought it was, and once o...more
Feb 20, 2012
Alan
rated it
3 of 5 stars
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review of another edition
Recommends it for:
Readers who thought Saturn's Children was a little too tame...
Recommended to Alan by:
Previous work and low interests
All right (not "alright," dagnabbit—I don't think I'm ever going to get used to that one). Let's get it out of the way. If you don't already know, you need to: Rule 34 is the made-up maxim that states "if you can think of it, there's at least one porn site on the Internet about it." Or words to that effect. Its wording is variable and its provenance is murky. But in any case, what Rule 34 is here is the basis for a near-future police procedural novel set in Edinburgh and featuring returning char...more
Ehhh, I was pretty much underwhelmed! It was NOT (by a longshot) as dynamic as I expected it to be...based on the title. I guess I just had higher expectations for the level of oddity (which was minimal) in a book with this title. As a result, it had quite a few things that just didn't work...for me.
First - the thick, heavy Scottish brogue - which was used, almost exclusely during only the first several dozen pages of the book - was off-putting, and almost unintelligible (okay, for an American...more
First - the thick, heavy Scottish brogue - which was used, almost exclusely during only the first several dozen pages of the book - was off-putting, and almost unintelligible (okay, for an American...more
Charles Stross envisions a not too distant future in which our social networks, our data sources and our use of an increasingly complex internet have created a rather grungy dystopia. The story is narrated by several viewpoint characters, but Detective Liz Kavanagh is perhaps the most important. The story begins when Liz is called to the scene of a truly nasty, kinky death. The victim is strapped up in leather and attached to an electric colonic irrigation machine. The victim is already known to...more
Stross is a visionary
and his books often just make you just stunned because you can not grasp the ideas he is coming up with...
I think Accelerando, Glasshouse and Saturns Children belong amonst the most ambitions must reads written in recent times. So the man has somethign of a Genious.
But I also think he is not necessarily a Poet.
I feel quite often does he struggle with plot (in most books actually) - it feels as if he has ideas for world building and details, but not for the over arching plot....more
and his books often just make you just stunned because you can not grasp the ideas he is coming up with...
I think Accelerando, Glasshouse and Saturns Children belong amonst the most ambitions must reads written in recent times. So the man has somethign of a Genious.
But I also think he is not necessarily a Poet.
I feel quite often does he struggle with plot (in most books actually) - it feels as if he has ideas for world building and details, but not for the over arching plot....more
Jul 31, 2011
Tim Niland
rated it
5 of 5 stars
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review of another edition
Recommends it for:
Tim Horras
Shelves:
2011-reads
It's near future Edinburgh, Scotland and DI Liz Cavanaugh is in charge of a special computer-crimes unit that tries to sniff out illegal Internet crime before it can get a foothold. Meanwhile, Anwar Hussein, recently out of prison for computer related crime, is recruited to run the Scottish embassy of a previously unknown central Asian republic. Charles Stross, one of the premier science fiction authors in the genre ties all of these threads and many more involving rouge artificial intelligence,...more
“I didna want to spread this’un around, skipper, but it’s a two-wetsuit job. I don’ like to bug you, but I need a second opinion.”
“Wow, that’s something out of the ordinary. A two-wetsuit job means kinky beyond the call of duty.” (4).
And so Detective Liz Kavanaugh begins investigating a wave of murders that involve repurposed house hold appliances and criminals, seemingly petty and not, worldwide. She’s assigned to the Rule 34 squad, specializing in meme-crime – memes that may jump from the ima...more
“Wow, that’s something out of the ordinary. A two-wetsuit job means kinky beyond the call of duty.” (4).
And so Detective Liz Kavanaugh begins investigating a wave of murders that involve repurposed house hold appliances and criminals, seemingly petty and not, worldwide. She’s assigned to the Rule 34 squad, specializing in meme-crime – memes that may jump from the ima...more
Stross is back in form with the sequel to Halting State, a grimly humorous cyberpunk police procedural set in Tomorrow's Scotland, where nobody knows what an honest job is anymore, and household appliances are murdering spammers.
I won't spoil the book, but Stross is at his best when he takes Big Ideas, twists them upside down, and shows you how they could happen. In Rule 34, he on the relationship between the police state and the Panopticon, and how at the end of the day, our system of laws requ...more
I won't spoil the book, but Stross is at his best when he takes Big Ideas, twists them upside down, and shows you how they could happen. In Rule 34, he on the relationship between the police state and the Panopticon, and how at the end of the day, our system of laws requ...more
Jul 08, 2011
Jon Swanson
rated it
5 of 5 stars
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review of another edition
Recommends it for:
Any who liked Halting State or Virtual Light
Shelves:
sci-fi,
near-future
Rule 34
Stross is one of my favorite authors. Saturn's Children was a good read, and Halting State was flat out brilliant. Rule 34 is even better.
Each chapter takes the second person viewpoint of a different character, and is told in the second person. This is an uncommon approach, but Stross pulls it off and after the first few chapters it seems natural.
Each character appears unrelated at the start and their actions gradually start to affect each other. Each sees how events progress from a diff...more
Stross is one of my favorite authors. Saturn's Children was a good read, and Halting State was flat out brilliant. Rule 34 is even better.
Each chapter takes the second person viewpoint of a different character, and is told in the second person. This is an uncommon approach, but Stross pulls it off and after the first few chapters it seems natural.
Each character appears unrelated at the start and their actions gradually start to affect each other. Each sees how events progress from a diff...more
There are writers who can world build, and there are writers who build worlds. Stross is one of the latter, a writer who can build a world full of characters, places, and ideas. A writer who can then present said world to the reader without an overload of information, and just a pinch of theater.
His newest book, Rule 34 is no exception. For the short review, I can say that the book itself is very well crafted piece, and a very thoroughly enjoyable read.
Set in the same milieu, for lack of a bett...more
His newest book, Rule 34 is no exception. For the short review, I can say that the book itself is very well crafted piece, and a very thoroughly enjoyable read.
Set in the same milieu, for lack of a bett...more
Stross's weakest work in a long time. Sequel to the brilliant _Halting State_, this lacks the unleashed imagination, the gleeful sense of wonder, however twisted, that make reading Stross so much fun.
It's written in a nearly impenetrable mix of Scottish dialect and internet meme-speak: I found myself wanting to turn on subtitles, or read the wikified version.
I have to wonder if the future has just become tedious and pedestrian since 2007, or if Stross has just gotten bored. I'm inclined to ass...more
It's written in a nearly impenetrable mix of Scottish dialect and internet meme-speak: I found myself wanting to turn on subtitles, or read the wikified version.
I have to wonder if the future has just become tedious and pedestrian since 2007, or if Stross has just gotten bored. I'm inclined to ass...more
Oct 21, 2011
Jayaprakash Satyamurthy
rated it
3 of 5 stars
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review of another edition
Shelves:
science-fiction
I didn't care much for Singularity Sky and had sort of dismissed Stross as someone who dealt in a nerd-friendly thriller-mode SF that was of little interest to me. Still, when one of my favourite booksellers showed me this shiny new trade paperback with its title ripped straight from yesterday's internet memes, I was intrigued.
So what we have here is a near-future police procedural, broadly put. It revolves around a police detective from the internet porn tracking squad who gets involved in a m...more
So what we have here is a near-future police procedural, broadly put. It revolves around a police detective from the internet porn tracking squad who gets involved in a m...more
Wow--Charlie is really coming into his own. Most excellent (obvious disclaimer: I do know the author socially).
The book works as a straight-up thriller, and it weaves multiple point of views together well. But the really fun, unsettling thing is the world as Charlie sees it, which is to say our everyday world in too few years, with certain elements extrapolated just far enough out to make one really uncomfortable. International intrigue and corporate crime, murder and sex, Internet memes and soc...more
The book works as a straight-up thriller, and it weaves multiple point of views together well. But the really fun, unsettling thing is the world as Charlie sees it, which is to say our everyday world in too few years, with certain elements extrapolated just far enough out to make one really uncomfortable. International intrigue and corporate crime, murder and sex, Internet memes and soc...more
A loose sequel to Halting State, Rule 34 finds DI Liz Kavanaugh on the trail of a whole slew of weirdness involving a newly created political state, a small time repeat offender, an experimental A.I. botnet, and an ex-girlfriend. All the pieces start to come together amidst a dozen connected murders and Liz sets out to find whodunnit.
This book is written in second person, a move which was a bit controversial in the first novel in the series, but seems more natural and more comfortable here. Whet...more
This book is written in second person, a move which was a bit controversial in the first novel in the series, but seems more natural and more comfortable here. Whet...more
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Rule 34 could be loosely called a sequel to Halting State. Loosely because the setting in the near future in Scotland is the same and the Edinburgh police are main characters but that is about the only connection. This makes the background things going on a little more accessable if you read Halting State as well as puzzling out the near future Stross is representing in the book. I enjoyed Rule 34 though not as much as Halting State but I think the two stories subject matter is the biggest reaso...more
Hugo. Nebula.
But you might not like it. I happen to be quite comfortable with techspeak, and Scottish slang (thank you, Inspector Rebus). If you're not, you might get lost in this complex book. If you prefer sex to be mentioned as no more than a raised eyebrow and waves crashing on a beach, you might be offended.
If you read and liked Stross's Halting State, you'll probably like this more.
If you liked Ian McDonald's Dervish House, you'll probably like this.
If you read Stross's Merchants serie...more
But you might not like it. I happen to be quite comfortable with techspeak, and Scottish slang (thank you, Inspector Rebus). If you're not, you might get lost in this complex book. If you prefer sex to be mentioned as no more than a raised eyebrow and waves crashing on a beach, you might be offended.
If you read and liked Stross's Halting State, you'll probably like this more.
If you liked Ian McDonald's Dervish House, you'll probably like this.
If you read Stross's Merchants serie...more
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| I get the twist, but I don't get *how* it happened. Anyone? | 3 | 6 | May 09, 2013 12:05pm | |
| The Sword and Laser: Clarke Award shortlist | 1 | 30 | Mar 26, 2012 02:25am | |
| The Sword and Laser: shocked by the sexual content? | 27 | 253 | Mar 17, 2012 08:59am | |
| The Sword and Laser: Can't finish | 21 | 279 | Feb 19, 2012 08:07am | |
| The Sword and Laser: Memes in Rule 34 | 6 | 109 | Feb 14, 2012 10:01am | |
| The Sword and Laser: Scottish accent | 12 | 113 | Feb 07, 2012 11:36am |
Charles David George "Charlie" Stross is a writer based in Edinburgh, Scotland. His works range from science fiction and Lovecraftian horror to fantasy.
Stross is sometimes regarded as being part of a new generation of British science fiction writers who specialise in hard science fiction and space opera. His contemporaries include Alastair Reynolds, Ken MacLeod, Liz Williams and Richard Morgan.
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