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Due donne, grassa e magra

3.59 of 5 stars 3.59  ·  rating details  ·  1,262 ratings  ·  114 reviews
Justine, a beautiful, lonely, sexually addicted young woman, meets Dorothy, fat, maladjusted, and unhappy since childhood. They are superficially a study in contrasts yet share equally haunting sexual burdens carried since youth. With common secrets, they are drawn into a remarkable friendship.
Hardcover, 296 pages
Published 1992 by Mondadori (first published 1991)
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Nov 02, 2009 Ian rated it 4 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Yes Sir!: The All-Boy Maid Service
I love Mary Gaitskill. This is her first novel. This book is structurally flawed, but I think the flaw is due to her focus and the material and probably unavoidable. (Her second novel, Veronica, is a diamond.) The prose is flawless. Her observations are incisive, honest, vicious, hilarious, and penetrating. And oddly comforting. I have read this book at least four or five times and don't doubt that I'll read it again.

I dock a star not so much for the aforementioned structural problems but becaus
Mary Gaitskill is one of my favorite authors. Her stories and novels are frightening, dark, and revealing. Her characters are often cruel, scared, ugly, and in pain. But they also seem familiar somehow, and sympathetic even when they should be unlikeable. Gaitskill's "girls" in this novel are developed through vignettes about their childhoods interspersed with present interactions between themselves and with others. I love this book especially for its satire of Ayn Rand (Anna Granite) and Object ...more
With the caveat that I would probably not choose to read this a second time: this is a dense, dark, dramatic (but not unrealistic) look at the traumas of girlhood, in all of their forms. As one might expect from the title, Gaitskill's major points of exploration are body image, sexuality, and gendered power struggles, all sort of brilliantly set against the backdrop of a fictional Ayn Rand character and her work.

The most recommendable thing about this book is Gaitskill's writing. She's a writer
Katheter, all the world's a.
Apr 01, 2012 Katheter, all the world's a. rated it 2 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: subjectivists, lonelyhearts, ambivalent masochists
Shelves: feminist
Mary Gaitskill, no matter how indulgent you get, LYLAS (love you like a sister).

There's always a touch of the just-us-(decidedly twisted and perverse)-girlfriends mood in a Gaitskill work, but her short stories transcend dreaded chicklit chattiness with signature brutality and Schadenfreude. Yet somehow Gaitskill maintains every bit of the female-centeredness, beauty and body focus, and luxuriant quotidian that give chicklit its guilty power-appeal.

Ah, Gaitskill's short stories. They play like
alyssa carver
i turned to this in order to escape from Blood Meridian (which i hate a lot and think i might not finish at all), and at first it was refreshing to encounter female characters with interiority and subjective emotions, etc. for some reason, father-daughter sexual abuse is more palatable to me than diseased horses with swollen heads and drunk white dudes who kill random mexicans for no reason.

i read this quickly and remained fully engaged even on crowded subway rides. but in retrospect, i am not s
Oct 20, 2007 Jeremy rated it 3 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: ayn rand fans AND haters, shrinks, and survivors of child abuse
In the first 3 pages of this book, i was ready to put it down. I found the prose self-consciously disinterested, the metaphors forced, and the characters unlikable. However, I had promised a good friend I would read it so I kept on. About page 20 the book got into a great rhythm. The narrators dual voice co-alesced as the main characters took shape. When the narrative began to sweep backward, through the childhoods of the "two girls", the book became one of those rare windows into the strange em ...more
Utterly depressing. I appreciate, from a literary standpoint, what Gaitskill is trying to achieve, but after I read this book I pretty much wished I hadn't. She is a much stronger short story writer, in my opinion.
There's something about this book that you just don't want to put down, and something about it that you really don't want to touch. It's a long story of dysjunction and marginalization, self-torture and the ways people manage to hurt each other and somehow still find common ground. Gaitskill has a predilection for the eerie blurriness of sexuality, the place where tenderness and pathology intersect, and loneliness lies down with brutality. These shadowy encounters make up the economy of human re ...more
Just finished this today, and was sad to let these two characters go. This is a traumatising book about two traumatised women, and it has no real resolution, like life itself. The book is fundamentally about people who fail to connect with anyone in their lives, despite being sensitive, intelligent, and monumentally lonely.

I am irritated by the cover blurb that calls the book "darkly erotic." I guess any time a woman writes about sex in an open, noneuphmetistic manner, that's "erotic." Clearly,
An encounter between two socially disparate and incompatible women is precipitated by their separate interests in an Ayn Rand-like writer-philosopher figure, bringing their parallel histories, linked preoccupations and complementary psyches into unexpected focus, and instigating new phases in both lives.

My impatience with this disturbing convergent narrative and its heavy, sensual language mounted and finally evaporated as I realised that reading it had given me one of the benefits de Botton cla
It's a good first novel but it has very weak points. The characters have moments of being real, but also long periods of being completely one-dimensional. We get it - one girl is fat, one is thin - but despite their physical differences they connect.

The Ayn Rand stuff didn't do much for me, but I thought Justine's journey was interesting enough to make it through the story. If you want to watch a good writer develop into a great writer, read this along with some of Gaitskill's later works. But o
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Ellice Switzer
This is one for the ladies...but it's not "chick lit" crap. It's dark, but very good.
I read this years ago and stil remember the almost visceral power of Gaitskill's style.
Jeremy Baker
I like giant robots. I like Batman. I like hard sci-fi, demon-hunters, and yes, even certain vampire flicks. Mary Gaitskill remains one of our great modern masters in part for her ability to compel my attention using none of these elements.

The title lays down all the groundwork in Two Girls, Fat and Thin. There's a girl who's fat, and a girl who's thin. They have coffee together. They talk. They to to war over an article the thin girl is writing about the work of Anna Granite and how it changed
I haven't read a lot of Mary Gaitskill. In fact, her short story, "Girl on the Plane," is the only other Gaitskill work I've read. Based on the strength of that story, however, I picked up this novel. I had some reservations because I normally don't like sex in fiction (I also don't like to read about drug use and rock & roll) -- and Gaitskill relies on sex and S&M heavily in her works. It's as if she has no other lens through which to explore her themes. No matter. Her writing chops mad ...more
A friend of mine who is an avid reader with nearly impeccable taste had recommended that I read the entire catalogue of her work, so when I ran across this book, I decided to give it a try.

Now, I'm no expert, but the story is centered around a dead writer whose books and individually driven philosophy closely resemble those and that of Ayn Rand. The two central characters (one fat, one thin) have lived lives running strangely parallel, though they were on opposite sides of a similar experience (
Laura  Yan
It's always Gaitskill's observant writing, her sexy smarts that make her novels & stories so worthwhile. Tw Girls, Fat and Thin is engaging more because of the fascinating development of the characters's backstories and lives and for the singsong moments of her writing than any grand gesture or meaning, but is a fast and addictive read of escapism.

As always, her depiction of sadomasochism veers toward the subversive, always with very very damaged characters (a bit ironic considering the spe
I am a fan of Gaitskill's dark themes, and unlike other reviewers I don't find it exploitative to cover child sexual abuse or sadomasochism in a novel.

It's easy to care for nice characters, warm characters, and average characters who do extraordinary, heroic things. Gaitskill has the ability to make us care for characters who aren't especially nice people, who don't do extraordinary things, and who have deeply rooted problems such as the "girls" (women) whose stories we hear.

I enjoyed the mock
I don't know if anyone else could have pulled off this book. The plot (a journalist interviewing a devotee of an Ayn-Rand-esque author/philosopher) and theme (aforementioned philosophy) aren't the most interesting things on earth, and the characters aren't particularly likeable, but what kept me reading is just the depth and weirdness that Mary Gaitskill brings to her writing. Insights into the female mind, explications of pain. I haven't seen any other literary writers do it quite like she does ...more
I came into this book having only read Gaitskill's short stories. I figured I would give it a chapter to see if she could maintain the density of her short fiction throughout a larger work. One chapter became two then there was no turning back. She built believably damaged characters that I wanted to learn more about and wanted to see how they persevered. Well done.
Wow. Gaitskill writes about subjects that you wouldn't ever think you'd want to read about: incest, child sexual abuse, rape, sadomasochism, and sexual humiliation, in a manner that is psychologically incisive and rings true. If you can stomach the unbearably graphic scenes, the sheer beauty of her writing will keep you turning the pages. Her two protagonists are lonely, afraid, hurting, and highly intelligent. Makes you just want to give them a big hug, although they'd just reject it. I didn't, ...more
Stephen Dorneman
Try Mary Gaitskill's short stories first. You'll find a world of damaged people, reaching out to other damaged people in the human way we all do, usually to the detriment of both of them.

Get used to the odd language. Everything is alive. "The living room-like office was furnished with proud armchairs, a fiercely thin-cushioned sofa, a drawing of a geometric cat, and a radio that perpetually leaked a thin stream of classical music." Emotions manifest as colored lights, perception is skewed by the
I am 40% of the way through this book and I am stopping. I never quit in the middle of a book. But I hate this book. There is no plot. It is like listening to someone who just rambles on and tells stories that have no real point. It's painful.
Clodagh Glaisyer-Sidibe
I nearly gave up after the first few pages, I persevered but wished I hadn't. The sadomasochistic element felt contrived and mechanical. Other reviewers praise her for her insight into the traumas of puberty and school girl relationships - really? I must have lived a very sheltered life, particularly the scenes of same sex abuse with a toothbrush, sure girls can be unkind, puberty can be confusing but this just felt like watching a bad late night film. I just didn't believe these characters or f ...more
Wavering between 3 and 4 on this one. On the one hand, the beginning introduction to the works of Anna Granite (an ever so thinly veiled Ayn Rand-like author/philosopher) was extremely boring to me and not interesting. But then, once we move past that, and begin to hear the life stories of the two "girls" (by now grown women in their late 20s/early 30s), the writing is great and the story becomes something something completely different.

It's a very dark book. There is a lot of rape and difficul
I enjoyed this book and found Gaitskill's insight about certain human conditions, namely loneliness, psychological trauma, and isolation from society, to be a haunting reminder of the cruelty that lies within human nature. Admittedly, there were moments where my skin crawled with disgust, and my mind could not comprehend the idea that one's father could have an incestuous relationship with his daughter for any extended period of time. Or, in Justine's situation, that a father could find out his ...more
found this in a free box in the basement of my old apartment building a couple years ago. the main characters struck me as too tidily put together - like wow THEY'RE OPPOSITES BUT THE SAME! - and it drove me crazy the way they were carefully kept apart for the sake of driving towards the eye-rollingly contrived climax. plus, even though i hate ayn rand, i found all the objectivism parody stuff to be tiresome & over-the-top.

one (1) extra star for having a handful of painfully acute & brut
Funny to have finished a take-down of Ayn Rand as Paul Ryan, professed to be inspired by Rand, is announced VP pick for Romney. The indictment of Rand is so encompassing, it makes me want to be critical of her criticism (not that I don't agree with Gaitskill). The characters are interesting and engrossing, and I enjoyed the parallels of loneliness and torture between the two, though sometimes they were overwrought. Metaphors used are often deftly incisive, but there is so much overly lyrical des ...more
Huh. I think I may have read this too close to The Robber Bride to properly appreciate it. Both books have women carefully selected to contrast each other. Both focus on their childhood, their adolescence and then their adulthood, starting with adulthood then going back to childhood and working their way forward. Both grapple with dark themes and child abuse.
In contrast, Two Girls, Fat and Thin has beautifully vivid writing, particularly in the chapters narrated by Dorothy where her imagination
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Mary Gaitskill is an American author of essays, short stories and novels. Her work has appeared in The New Yorker, Harper's Magazine, Esquire, The Best American Short Stories (1993 and 2006), and The O. Henry Prize Stories (1998). She married writer Peter Trachtenberg in 2001. As of 2005, she lived in New York City; Gaitskill has previously lived in Toronto, San Francisco, and Marin County, CA, as ...more
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