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The Tears of the Sun (Emberverse #8)

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Rudi McKenzie-now Artos, the High King of Montival-must fulfill his destiny. He wields the sword crafted for him before he was born. He has made friends of his enemies. He has won the heart of the woman he loves.

And now he must defeat the forces of the Church Universal and Triumphant, knowing he may lose his life in the final battle...

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Published September 6th 2011 by Roc Hardcover

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Jun 23, 2012 Kris rated it 4 of 5 stars

The eighth book in the Emberverse series picks right up where the seventh book ends. This story was a depature from the previous books in the series as the author felt the end to explain events from the past as he also keep the present story line moving forward. This was done as a series of flash backs told by various characters and seemed to be an unecessary digression as it could have been told very quickly at one time. This makes me think that the author is setting up something in the last tw...more

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Feb 01, 2012 John Patrick rated it 2 of 5 stars

This was actually somewhat disappointing compared to the previous books in the series. The plot had no real focus and jumped around the timeline trying to hit on plot points that were happening currently in the timeline and filling back story with flashbacks. I very much liked all the previous books in this series but "Tears of the Sun" spends the whole book building up to a payoff that you won't get untill the next book. When I finished the last page it almost felt like it was a chore to have r...more

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Jan 27, 2013 Matt Mitrovich rated it 4 of 5 stars

In The Tears of the Sun, Rudi Mackenzie, now Artos the first High King of the Kingdom of Montival, must fulfill the prophecy first spoken by his mother Juniper at his wiccaning. He wields the Sword of the Lady crafted for him by the gods whose war in heaven has spilled over onto Earth, which twenty five years ago lost the ability to use high technology due to an event known as the Change (which happened right after the island of Nantucket was sent back to the Bronze Age). He has forged a string...more In The Tears of the Sun, Rudi Mackenzie, now Artos the first High King of the Kingdom of Montival, must fulfill the prophecy first spoken by his mother Juniper at his wiccaning. He wields the Sword of the Lady crafted for him by the gods whose war in heaven has spilled over onto Earth, which twenty five years ago lost the ability to use high technology due to an event known as the Change (which happened right after the island of Nantucket was sent back to the Bronze Age). He has forged a string of alliances from across the continent, including with the King of Norrheim, the Regent of Iowa, the Seven Council Fires of the Sioux and the youngest son of the murdered General-President of the United States of America (Boise). He has won the heart of the woman he loves, Mathilda Arminger, whose father was Norman Arminger who was killed during the War of the Eye by Rudi's father Mike Havel, the Bear Lord. And now he must defeat the forces of the Church Universal and Triumphant, led by their evil Prophet Sethaz, who is also the son of the Unabomber.

Confused? Am I making this all up? Well if you know what the hell I am talking about then you are a fan of the Emberverse series, written by S. M. Stirling. If you are a not a fan, however, than this novel is not for you. This series, if you include all the books that stem from the event that happened over Nantucket in 1998, involves 11 published novels, 5 published short stories, 2 planned novels and numerous online appendixes. There is also a rumored share world anthology, webcomic and television series. To make this world even larger, some of the fan fiction is actually a part of the canon! There is just way to much content for anyone to start here, you will be lost and the book will be worse for you.

Yet fans will be disappointed as well. Rudi, despite being the main character of the current series, has a very minor role in this novel. He even acts more like a cliche "good king" instead of the adventurous witch boy we have known since The Sunrise Lands. Half the novel Stirling uses to reintroduce characters you should already know pretty well if you have lasted this long with the series. Along with that are some flashbacks involving the strange case of Mary Liu (which incidentally finally answered the question about what happened to Odard's servant Alex at the end of The Sunrise Lands) and a black ops mission in Boise. Put it all together and the novel reads more like a collection of short stories set in the Emberverse universe, all setting up what should be the major battle in the upcoming sequel Lord of Mountains (I would say "climatic" and/or "final" but there is another novel after that).

Still it was fun to revisit characters I have not seen in over a year and the ending of the novel promises us something spectacular next year. Perhaps this novel's major flaw was that it was only half of what it was supposed to be, since Stirling split the original manuscript to create Lord of Mountains. Though in hindsight that may not have been wise for the sake of this novel, the book is still a good read for fans of the universe. For those who have not visited the Emberverse yet, go pick up Dies the Fire before checking this book out.(less)

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Sep 10, 2012 H Gilbert rated it 2 of 5 stars

It was just OK.

I really enjoyed Dies the Fire and the Protectors War. I liked Meeting at Corvallis.

However, when we jumped ahead - what - 15 years to grown up Rudi and his friends who grew up post-Change and seeing a world in which magic is reappearing...well my suspension of disbelief started to fray, and it's been getting more so with each installment.

There have been a few books that haven't advanced the plot much at all, and this one seemed to be little snippets about things that happened at...more

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Jul 16, 2012 Roberta rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: sciencefiction

The Church Universal and Triumphant with the United States of Boise start the campaign against Montival and their allies.

Unlike the earlier books, this book is not about the quest but what happens now that Rudi has the sword. All of the questers get their points of view told along with Grand Constable Tiphaine, Oduard Liu's brother and sister as well as the story as to why his mother was so foolish.

Most of the book leads up to the start of the full fledged campaign with skirmishes and what not....more

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Feb 19, 2012 Anna Erishkigal rated it 2 of 5 stars

This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers. To view it, click here. Nothing a good editor couldn't fix!

I've enjoyed all of Stirlings' novels, albeit they are difficult to follow sometimes because he weaves multiple, complex storylines and multiple character points of view through all his stories and (if you've ever tried to do so) it's no easy task. It's helpful to appreciate the highly detailed historical/sociological facts he weaves throughout all his storytelling (he is, after all, a historian). Mr. Stirling seeks to educate us about a subject he loves, not m...more Nothing a good editor couldn't fix!

I've enjoyed all of Stirlings' novels, albeit they are difficult to follow sometimes because he weaves multiple, complex storylines and multiple character points of view through all his stories and (if you've ever tried to do so) it's no easy task. It's helpful to appreciate the highly detailed historical/sociological facts he weaves throughout all his storytelling (he is, after all, a historian). Mr. Stirling seeks to educate us about a subject he loves, not merely provide banal entertainment. Or, to put it in plain English, his writing isn't geared for the young adult crowd many other such series are written for.

That being said, I found this book unusually difficult to get through. I got the impression he was trying to backfill what had been going on back home during Rudi and Mattie's quest to Nantucket because he needs it to explain what happens when the Prophet Sethaz comes for them. Perhaps these were even scenes written at the same time as the Sword of the Lady and High King of Montival and edited out because it bogged down the story too much? Its' hard as a writer when you start a whole new cycle based on newer characters in your existing 'universe' to cross paths with characters you love, but not bog down the story too much with the -old- story. I'm betting the young Liu characters are going to feature heavily in the next two books and I just love Tiphaine D'Ath and Ritva. However, I twould have liked this story better if it had either been tightly edited as far as accurate historical detail and the thought-processes of other minor characters in the story, or had been published as two separate, smaller books highlighting each sub-story (the Mary Liu/children/D'Ath plotline and the raid on Boise), taking the time to relish the 'universe' each sub-story was set in. The entire present-tense, past-tense thing just totally killed the flow.

Also, Mr. Stirling killed off a long-running, major character at the end of a chapter in a way that, when the book finally returned to that sub-story pages and pages later, I had to go back and re-read the earlier chapter to even figure out that character had died. Worse ... they skipped ahead to the funeral and the characters death was written as a past-tense scene. I felt ... cheated. The character died a heroic death and it was barely a footnote ... an inconvenient former-major character killed off for no apparant reason with no emotion or real chance to mourn. And then the selfish woman the character had died for ... ridden with guilt ... and the buddhist monk's advice to that woman and the group? Lost opportunities! You could have had your readers in tears!

And then there were all the overly-detailed descriptions of how people dressed and what they ate for every single scene. And all the interruptions of dialogue where the character veered off on self-indulgent trains-of-thought. It broke the flow of dialogue and, honestly, if I never read the word 'cote-hardie' or 'parti-colored' ever ever ever again it will be too soon.

Last but not least ... all of a sudden in the final chapter we're cut back to Rudi and Mattie and the battle we've been gearing up for the entire book and it's like, what? Six-pages long and totally skipped all the bloody, gory, historically accurate fight scenes and military tactics we love to read and is OVER? It felt as though some publisher said ... 'we need this story now' so it was just churned out to end the book quick and hand it in.

On the other hand, the descriptions of why one particular minor landholding was chosen for its future defendability was fascinating. I could picture the people taking to the hills and harassing the CUT like the ancient Highland Scots harassing the British. Now THAT was a little side-trip that was interesting enough to include and I suspect the entire reason for a minor characters prominance. The reason educated readers ENJOY fiction such as Mr. Stirlings. But how we got there to learn that piece of information was choppy. Either fully develop Ingolf and Mary and their relationship in its own right. Or send a major character to that kingdom.

As my caption says ... there's nothing wrong with this story a good editor couldn't have fixed. But the editor -didn't- fix it. Shame on Roc publishing for focusing on the dollar signs and pushing out what I would consider to be a fairly rough draft and not taking the time to hammer the rough steel into a fine sword! I hope the next book is more polished. (less)

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Oct 03, 2011 Gabe rated it 3 of 5 stars

Shelves: fantasy

I feel this book was rather insubstantial. Not a lot of interest happened, and there was a lot more time spent describing outfits and cuisine than advancing the plot. Every time anyone ate anything, which was frequent, it seemed like entire adjective-laden paragraphs were dedicated to describing each food item in the meal.

There were several flashbacks explaining events surrounding the Liu's treason while Rudy and company were on their journey East and back. Personally, I felt the events of the...more

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Sep 26, 2011 James Mackay rated it 2 of 5 stars

Though it was engaging enough to get me through it's 500-odd pages, I'll confess to being somewhat disappointed. The further we get from the Change itself, the less I enjoy the series. Rather than being a story about how people adapt to the loss of modern technology, it becomes more and more a traditional fantasy series, which simply doesn't interest me that much. As others have noted, the fact that this volume is largely covering ground that's already been covered, albeit from a different pers...more

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Sep 23, 2011 Gouty rated it 3 of 5 stars

Shelves: sci-fi-fantasy

This is the 8th book in the series. When I read the one before this one (#7 in the series) I thought "Great! They got the sword, they got back home. The next book will be the final battle and that will be it. A nice and tidy end to the story." Instead this is almost a digression back tracking and telling the stories of what some of the secondary characters were doing while the main characters were on the quest. While amusing these stories don't drive the main story forward.

Now people who look a...more

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Jan 15, 2012 Ken Hoffman rated it 3 of 5 stars

I have been a big fan of the Emberverse series, especially the first three, but it seems that this series is going the way of all long series: it is starting to change and be drawn out, much the way the Robert Jordan's the Wheel of Time became, Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth books, etc. Sometimes you get the impression the story is being embellished not because it should be, but because the author simply can. After a while, a reader just rolls their eyes, and continues reading them not because...more

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Sep 14, 2012 Donna rated it 2 of 5 stars

Shelves: fantasy

After four books of travel and Rudi Mackenzie's triumphant return from his quest, I was excited to read, at long last, about the war he'd have to wage to secure his newly-formed kingdom. Too bad this was not that book.

The Tears of the Sun has a massive problem with structure and focus. Half of it bogs down the arc of the series with a full account of Odard Liu's family. There's zero suspense about their fate, because we learn what's happened to them before their story is told. The flashback tran...more

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Jan 09, 2012 Melody rated it 3 of 5 stars

Where was Stirling's editor? Ay-yi-yi. Eight books into the series, you needn't tell me about all the players in detail. Especially the dead ones, for pages and pages. Yep, Norman was a bad guy, got it, now let's move on already.

The Liu backstory was entirely too detailed, and the way it threaded through the entire book was fairly annoying. As others have said, there are about 200 pages of actual new book here, and nearly 400 of filler, backstory, rehash & description of the freaking gloami...more

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Jan 07, 2012 Chris Bauer rated it 4 of 5 stars

I'm rounding up for the 8th book of the Emberverse series. Just taking a quick glance at the 60+ other reviews confirms the way I felt about the book. I've enjoyed tremendously the entire series and have the utmost respect for the author's writing style and research when crafting these works.
But Tears of the Sun was a "placeholder" "series of short stories" and just about every other observation made in reviews. I guess my biggest gripe with the book is the interesting but overly long extended...more

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Sep 11, 2011 Geoffrey rated it 3 of 5 stars

Shelves: epic, fantasy

Tears of the Sun feels like a series of short stories fit together to make a novel. Rudi and Matti play very small roles in this book. Instead it focuses on the stories of several secondary and tertiary characters. There are visits to the past explaining the treason by House Lui and its consequences. There is a visit to the Buddhist monastery in Wyoming. There are a couple great battles including a covert op into Boise. Individually they are each good but collectively they just don't have the fe...more

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Oct 16, 2011 Annette rated it 3 of 5 stars

Shelves: alternate-history, fantasy

Just to clear something up: No, this is Not the last book in the series. And yes, this book felt like a holding pattern. The timeline was only moved up about 3-4 months, and 90% of the action took place in a single month. The rest was flash-backs to events that took place in Montival while Rudi and co were on their little quest. Unusually, most of the action is from Tiphaine's POV, although there is one major action from the Rangers. Rudi and indeed the Mackenzies in general get very little scre...more

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Oct 11, 2011 Joy rated it 4 of 5 stars

I hadn't realized this book was out until last week, and I bought it and started it immediately when I did, as I am very interested in seeing how the story plays out. Another review described this book as almost a series of short stories set in Montival during the great Quest, and that description is rather accurate although I think the stories are still important. Some of the covert ops in Boise and other locations were amazing, both in the concept, the execution, and description, and one broug...more

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Apr 20, 2013 Mieczyslaw Kasprzyk rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: alternative-history, american, fantasy, fiction

"Tears of the Sun" surprised me. I was expecting something much worse.
Recently, Stirling's Emberverse series has developed into some sort of pastiche, a mixture of Tolkien, Hollywood and some guide to foods eaten at great feats in post-apocalyptic America. The story has dragged as it has been drawn out. No-one, reading this series, would believe that this is the same author who wrote "Island in the Sea of Time" or "The Peshawar Lancers". Stirling has obviously decided that this is going to be t...more

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Jun 18, 2012 Jen rated it 3 of 5 stars

This is one of the very few series I've ever read in "real time," i.e. as they come out rather than years later when most of the books have already been published. I'm not doing all that well with it, because I totally forget who all the characters are and their relationships with each other in between--it took me a third of this book to remember who some people were, which is not that great. So that helped me enjoy this a little less, but so did the nature of it.
We continue the great wars of th...more This is one of the very few series I've ever read in "real time," i.e. as they come out rather than years later when most of the books have already been published. I'm not doing all that well with it, because I totally forget who all the characters are and their relationships with each other in between--it took me a third of this book to remember who some people were, which is not that great. So that helped me enjoy this a little less, but so did the nature of it.
We continue the great wars of the western U.S. since the Change, and I'm still impressed by how thoroughly Stirling was able to wreck the world. The cultures that rose are delightful to me, being a medievalist, and the new dash of Arthurian is just funny. What Stirling's strength in this book, though, is the edge encounters with the Seekers of the Church Universal and Triumphant, the new baddies in town now that the Protectorate has been subdued and the Sword has been found.
These are fantastically creepy villains, and the few scenes you get with them in this book really do serve to set up anticipation for the showdown in the final couple of books. Stirling has created skin-crawlingly awful beings and is doing some interesting theological dances to present them, which I like. This strength is the weakness, though; this whole book felt like a placeholder.
The writing itself got a bit tedious sometimes, reading rather like an old chronicle (and I've read enough of them in various languages to be able to call them tedious) in terms of "then this battalion went over here and did this in preparation, and they had this many supplies and men. Then this battalion..." I get that perhaps Stirling is trying to express that time and gathering of troops is a big deal in this world; you can't just fly to wherever the war is and be done with it. But there's showing the arduousness of preparation and there's feeling it, and several chunks of this felt like the latter.
I will definitely keep reading the series, but this wasn't my favorite by far. Even the character deaths felt sort of superficial, and that's just not a good thing.(less)

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Oct 01, 2011 Jo rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: fantasy-and-science-fiction

This series is taking too long. The first three were great; after that it lost focus. This book doesn't end any story arcs but does advance them. That said, I'm enough of a fan that I did enjoy the book even more than the last one -- probably because Rudi & Matti didn't have much of a part in it (I'm a little tired of them). This book is largely about Tiphaine D'Ath, a character who has become more important as the overall story has advanced and the older generation has faded into the backgr...more

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Jun 01, 2012 Marin rated it 2 of 5 stars

Ugh, in for a penny, in for a pound I s'pose. But damn, the quality of these books is declining faster than Astrid's grip on sanity. I'm three quarters in and finally got to an actual battle instead of a bunch of people sitting and describing things or having flashbacks. Eesh,

I'll finish the series more out of obligation than enjoyment.

Update... Does Sterling no longer have an editor? "...thick with blooming thickets of purple lilac and wild roses gone feral into impenetrable tangles..." Thick w...more

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Oct 11, 2011 Dawn rated it 3 of 5 stars

Shelves: ebook, fiction-fantasy

The last two novels of the Emberverse series seemed to not flow as naturally as the previous works, perhaps due to the increasing complexity as the scope of this world expands from the Northwestern US to include more and more of the world. However, in the last, we return to the Willamette Valley, and so in this newest episode we find ourselves anchored again among familiar characters and locations.

The transition from post-apocalyptic alternate-worlds fantasy into Arthurian legend rework has bee...more

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Dec 21, 2011 Unwisely rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: 2011, kept-me-up-too-late

I have adored this series since I read the first book. I enjoyed this book (and stayed up Too Late several nights in a row reading it), but didn't think it was quite as good as some of the others. It really felt like just Some Stuff That Happened Before The Big Denouement, rather than a fully contained story. Maybe it's because I've read several 1200 pagers this year, but this just didn't feel like a whole book.

Not that a few notable things didn't happen, or that I didn't like it. But the dual...more

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Jan 05, 2013 Marsha Wilcox rated it 5 of 5 stars

I started to get a little bored; there were a lot of flashbacks (not a bad thing) but way too much troop movement and weapons description & placement and not enough human interaction. Actually, for a few chapters, I actually considering not finishing, and I am a sincere devotee of this entire series, Nantucket as well as Oregon! But I pushed on, for no other reason than I trust the author. In this novel, the author spent almost no time on battle scenes, which caught me by surprise, but I fou...more

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Apr 22, 2012 Starfire rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: 7-5-10, alternate-present

Considering how little actually happened in this instalment (and how much the narrative jumped around in time), I'm surprised how much I enjoyed it. I think part of it is that I LOVE Stirling's characters and just enjoy the chance to spend time with them.

However, yes, this one could have done with some editing ESPECIALLY around the phonetic renditions of some of the characters' accents. Please, Mr Stirling, we KNOW John Hordle has a rural English accent. We don't need it transcribed (and if you...more

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Nov 21, 2011 Leons1701 rated it 3 of 5 stars

Should have been a 4 or maybe even a 5 star book, except for the fact that it mostly feels like a placeholder until the next book. Almost as much a collection of shorts as a cohesive novel. I can't really say nothing happened, even if one of the more important developments was told through a series of flashbacks, but noting really moved the story forward. There were some really nice bits, the transformation of the series from post-apocalyptic survival to Arthurian fantasy is largely complete. No...more

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Oct 05, 2011 Skip rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: alternate-history

I have yet to read a Stirling novel that I didn't like, and Tears of the Sun is no exception. I will say, though, that the novel is definitely not at its best as a stand-alone. You'll certainly get a lot more out of it if you've read the prior novels. For best results, go all the way back to the Nantucket series, and read the whole Emberverse series. Or if you're not up for quite that much reading, at least start with The Sunrise Lands for the most recent storyline.

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Nov 26, 2011 Onthevirg rated it 2 of 5 stars

Need to start putting in some ratings that aren't all rainbows and puppy dogs, hence my review.

I still have to rate the books in between, but it's starting to reach the point that the Jordan (before Sanderson took up the torch)/Goodkind books did for me as they progressed, though in admittedly different ways. I like rich detail describing the environment and world building as much as the next guy but let's try moving along the plot without getting tied up for two & three paragraphs describin...more

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Nov 05, 2011 Mitchell rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: fantasy, military-sf, series, public-library, to-buy

Book 5, Series 2 - the series is definitely showing its age. An awful lot of time is spent visiting in with characters and not moving the plot all that far along. And yet the characters are mostly worth visiting. A bit uneven - some vignettes were rushed enough that they might as well have happened off-screen. Others though were fantastic, worthy of standing on their own as short-stories or novellas. And unlike previous book in series 2, there were no 100 page long battle scenes - which probably...more

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Oct 04, 2011 Tia Jones rated it 2 of 5 stars

Shelves: so-so-books

So disappointing. After coming off the disappointment of A Dance With Dragons and all the filler material presented therein, I was hoping for a good story. Instead I get more filler material. Sigh.

I was annoyed with the flashbacks, because I could not have cared less. I'm sick to death of the repetition, because if you pick up the 8th book in a series and you don't know what's going on it's your own damn fault. I do not need, want, or require a recap of everything that has happened thus far in...more

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Sep 16, 2012 Nicole Luiken rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: sfantasy

Enjoyable read. As always great battle scenes, detailed world and intricate politics. Plotlines: Ritva's back with the Dunedain Rangers, she has a love interest and a rescue mission. We see some Ingolf, and a lot of Tiphaine, who as Grand Constable, is directing the fight against the CUT. However the backstory plotline of Mary Liu's fate (which involves both Tiph and some new viewpoint from her daughter Yseult) is threaded throughout the book and actually provides the book's climax, which I foun...more

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