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The Ball and The Cross

4.0 of 5 stars 4.00  ·  rating details  ·  1,245 ratings  ·  93 reviews
The Ball and the Cross is a novel filled with debates beginning with one between a professor named Lucifer and a monk named Michael. If adventure is your objective The Ball and the Cross is for you. There are few things more exciting than the battles in the war of ideas. This a book most worth reading.

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Published October 18th 2010 by WHITE DOG PUBLISHING (first published 1909)
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Cooper Williams
My second Chesterton work has awakened in me a most wonderful kind of rage. It is the rage that drives a fervent Catholic to hurl a rock through the window of an editorial office. It is the rage with which an atheist prints blasphemy and logical syllogisms. The rage by which both men take up swords time and again to defend their views.

On the other hand, Chesterton's gentlemanly prose exudes forgiveness. Similarly to The Man Who Was Thursday, the author paints a picture of the cosmos's workings t
Utterly fantastic! I see now why all my Hillsdalians rave over Chesterton. I will certainly look for more of his works :) The Scandal in the Village chapter is perfect!
1. You cannot defeat the Cross, for it is defeat
2. The difference between Jesus and Satan is that Jesus wanted to descend, and so rose, while Satan wanted to rise and so fell.
Another Sci-Fi story from Chesterton, however much easier to follow than The Man Who Was Thursday. A real duel with arms needs to take place between a Catholic and an atheist, they struggle to find the right place and so they become fugitives and comrades. Their adventures are both funny and witty and both of them start leaning towards his enemy.

Chesterton again surprised me by being able (in such a short book) to portray two opposite characters in such a way that the reader feels sympathy for b
Bizarre but certainly entertaining and provocative. I'm a big fan of Chesterton with his rollicking plots and writing style and the question is why he is not more widely read today, albeit having a niche group of fans that apparently includes Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett. I had a glimmer of the answer in reading his collected Essays -- including one in which he defends the jury as opposed to the single judge system, in the spirit of democracy; his argument, to me, felt dated, although i empat ...more
Ken Bickley
Many reviewers have called this entire novel a confusing allegory, and even Chesterton himself confessed in later years that he was a bit confused by it. Nevertheless, the story of an atheist and an orthodox Roman Catholic trying to fight a duel over faith, despite continual police intervention, is amusing and interesting. Duels were decidedly uncouth in Edwardian England, as indeed was any public discussion of religion. Religion was a private matter, after all. The climax is a bit more puzzling ...more
Jun 12, 2009 Virgiliana rated it 3 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: conservative Christians, GKC fans
I just finished rereading The Ball and The Cross. It's not a very good novel--Chesterton himself did not like how it turned out--but I enjoyed it--it was at least a good idea for a story, and expresses, if poorly, some very fun and interesting ideas. I also reread Martin Gardner's introduction to the book and thought it was not very good. Contrary to what he says, the novel isn't really about the conflict between the Catholic and the atheist--it's about what brings them together--that specifical ...more
Dave/Maggie Bean
I purchased the Dover edition, which contains a fantastic foreword by Martin Gardner. Said foreword is worth the price of the book – a pittance at $7.95. The text itself is worth twenty times more. TBATC was purportedly inspired by Chesterton’s debates with (deservedly) forgotten R.P.G. Blatchford. (I doubt even Gardner -- who refers to ciphers and numerology in his foreword-- caught the "woo-woo" significance of Blatchford’s initials: Blatchford, like the Soviets, whose B-40/RPG-7 became a weap ...more
This book is not about the everyday world. It has little in common with the modern novels I am used to. It is not interested in exploring the nuances of introspection and social interaction. It seemed to me to be more like a farce with characters running around implausibly, saying witty, profound things. It also felt at times like a morality play with characters declaring their views on the state of the universe and of each other.

In the end, it is its own sort of book, a book obsessed not with "
Delightful and thought provoking as ever. Highly recommended. However, I think it is best appreciated when there is a familiarity with some of Chesterton's other works in general and ORTHODOXY in particular. I saw many ideas and settings from ORTHODOXY which actually took place in this book. Insane asylums, the men who discover England, what things are worth fighting for, believing in oneself... all shared by both ORTHODOXY and THE BALL AND THE CROSS. They really need to be read together.

Morris Nelms
This is the first work of fiction by Chesterton I've read. It's a fine book. Elegant and witty writing prevails throughout. Chesterton, a devout Catholic, makes the atheist the most lovable character.
It's funny. It's funny like Twain and Wodehouse are funny. It's also deep at times, often at the same time that it's being funny.

This book may not be for everyone. Some will find it too philosophical. Some will say that Chesterton is engaging in straw man arguments, that he does a poor job present
Sep 21, 2008 Steve rated it 5 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Everyone
Probably the best of Chesterton's fiction that I have read. I think this book may be better than The Man Who Was Thursday. The society outlined in this book looks eerily like our own. The whole world has gone insane, yet it has placed the sane in the asylum. Chesterton does justice to the fact that there can be friendship between disagreeing parties, and this friendship can do more than all the battles to soften hearts and make them receptive to the grace of God.
Alert--some spoilers follow. Overall, an entertaining work of fiction by Chesterton. The first chapter is a bit hit-you-over-the-head allegorical, but that rapidly changes pace with the duellers in the following chapters. The Catholic and rationalist duellers are quite entertaining up through the point where they chase after the violence worshipper together. After that, their continued antics begin to wear a bit thin. The story livens up some at the mental asylum, which somewhat precedes the far ...more
Full of symbolism that borders on allegory, this narrative of dueling Scotchmen leads the reader through themes of camaraderie between enemies, devotion to religious causes, and sanity. The central objects of the ball and cross fade to the background, yet form a frame for the story.

Definitely one of Chesterton's more complex works--not in plot, which is relatively simple, but in ideas. Each character contributes to the struggle typified between the duelists. At stake is the battle between atheis
A funny, farcical story about a Christian and an atheist who keep trying to fight a duel, but are constantly waylaid.

Read for Dr. Wood's Oxford Christians course at Baylor (Fall 2014).
John Yelverton
The book started off being very interesting, and made several great points on the atheism/Catholicism debate; but then it just nose dived into absurdity at the end.
I've read a few Chesterton novels to date, and I always find that there is something confusing about them. The worst part is knowing that it is a deeper truth that I just don't understand yet, and that if I were to give the book another go, or perhaps even a third, I would probably have that light-bulb moment when everything would make sense. So, as it is, I'm a bit confused. Perhaps enlightenment will come with subsequent readings.

On the whole though, it was an amusing and fascinating book. The
Johan Haneveld
Another great book by G.K. Chesterton. The more I read of him, the more I'm a fan. Yes, I do think Chesterton is in the 'hate it or love it' category, and I think one must have a taste for his pretty peculiar way of writing, but if one does, all of his works are like draughts from a spring of fresh, clear water. This one is no exception, filled to the brim with his trademark paradoxes and witticisms, coupling an alagorical story with lively descriptions and characters that feel fully alive, marr ...more
John Carter
An intriguing book, although rather heavy on the philosophical debate between Evan MacIan, a devout Catholic from the Highlands, and James Turnbull, publisher of a newsletter called The Atheist. Heavy and inconsistent. MacIan is newly arrived in London, hugely naïve, “without having properly realised that there were in the world any people who were not Roman Catholics. […] He did not see the word ‘atheist’, or if he did, it is quite possible that he did not know the meaning of the word.” But bef ...more
A thimbleful of cyberpunk, a dash of magical realism, and a pint of Chestertonian philosophy.

In early 20th century London, the editor of The Atheist publishes an article comparing the Virgin Mary to a Mesopotamian goddess, and finally (!) gets the attention he craves; a young and devout Catholic, first time in the city, accidently reads the article, breaks the window of the editor’s office, and challenges him to a duel. With swords, like gentlemen. And to the death, because it is that important
Robert Corzine
I thought I was re-reading The Ball and the Cross this weekend. Turns out I was reading half of it for the first time. You see, Chesterton published it twice. I had read the 1905 version which is ten chapters long and ends rather abruptly. In 1907, he published the finished version, twenty chapters long. It holds together a lot better. I always wondered why he had dropped the old monk Michael after the first chapter (he turns up again in the last chapters). The main story line features two men, ...more
Chesterton gives us the archetypal Christian and the archetypal atheist, embroiled in a series of exciting and often hilarious adventures throughout England as they try to find somewhere to duel in peace.

Chesterton's characters are so passionate and full of joy in life that while they are not particularly realistic, I always get the sense that they are what people should be if they would only be true to themselves and to what is really important.

For the most part I think Chesterton fairly presen
Worth reading from the standpoint of comparative philosophies alone.
And this:
"Separate tall flames shot up and spread out above them like the fiery cloisters of some infernal cathedral, or like a grove of red tropical trees in the garden of the devil. Higher yet in the purple hollow of the night the topmost flames leapt again and again fruitlessly at the stars, like golden dragons chained but struggling."
Okay, so the beginning and end are awesome! Chesterton has a way of pulling back the curtains opening onto the supernatural realm. We are not just a build up of atoms and nothing more. We were made, and are sustained by a Creator more majestic than our finite minds will ever be able to conceive, thank God!

And what is more, He is love and sent His Son to show us who He is.

Anyway, this is a story about two men, a rebellious angel, and the Sovereign Creator, Redeemer, Savior.

These two men duel it
Josh Anderson
Not knowing what this book was about I picked up because I read Chesterton's "Orthodoxy" and loved it. The introduction told me it was basically the fiction account of the fight between a Christian and and atheist and so I expecting it to be largely a debate between the two. Instead you are lead on the continuous journey of the two men who are trying literally duel it out with swords.
Chesterton's writing is magnetizing and draws you in with a zig-zag and circle-around approach to describing a s
Josh Davis
A sort of distopian future that follows the ongoing argument between an atheist and a Catholic. Though it is philosophical and contains sections of lengthy dialogue, it also features plenty of ongoing action. Chesterton is brilliant as always in his diagnosis of the madness in society.
"'Why shouldn’t we quarrel about a word? What is the good of words if they aren’t important enough to quarrel over? Why do we choose one word more than another if there isn’t any difference between them? If you called a woman a chimpanzee instead of an angel, wouldn’t there be a quarrel about a word? If you’re not going to argue about words, what are you going to argue about?'" --Evan MacIan

Part action thriller, part philosophical dialog, and with just a dash of mystical phantasmagoria, "The Bal
Greg Givan
I am sorry as I see so many fans of this book, but I found it really dreadful as a work of fiction: very stiff, very stilted, highly didactic; difficult to finish. I really enjoy Chesterton's. non-fiction, but not this. The second star is for Chesterton in general.
This was the best book I've read in a while and turned me on to the wonder that is GKC. I enjoyed the humor. All of the characters were entertaining. The story was clever. There was plenty of dialogue which was instructive and amusing spread throughout.
This is the zany story of a Catholic and an atheist who never find the right time or place to fight a duel in order to settle the matter of whether God exists or not.

It's a nifty premise and the whole trip is fanciful and humorous (there's even a space ship). Moreover, Chesterton sprinkles his story with deep philosophical discussions.

The author's approach to the religious issue is level-headed, unbiased, and very humane. He doesn't let his protagonists lose themselves in abstractions or gener
a fantastical piece of fiction that doesn't really fall into the allegory category but more in line with CS Lewis' Space Trilogy or some of George Macdonald's works, where fantastical things happen to ordinary people, blurring the lines between the spiritual and physical realities.

In this case, the epic struggle between faith and atheism is carried out between two men who encounter each other and challenge each other to a duel, but are thwarted by society from carrying this out. As they flee to
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Gilbert Keith Chesterton (1874-1936) was born in London, educated at St. Paul’s, and went to art school at University College London. In 1900, he was asked to contribute a few magazine articles on art criticism, and went on to become one of the most prolific writers of all time. He wrote a hundred books, contributions to 200 more, hundreds of poems, including the epic Ballad of the White Horse, fi ...more
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“What is the good of words if they aren't important enough to quarrel over? Why do we choose one word more than another if there isn't any difference between them? If you called a woman a chimpanzee instead of an angel, wouldn't there be a quarrel about a word? If you're not going to argue about words, what are you going to argue about? Are you going to convey your meaning to me by moving your ears? The Church and the heresies always used to fight about words, because they are the only thing worth fighting about.” 66 likes
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