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The Copper Sign (Das kupferne Zeichen #1)

by Katia Fox, Lee Chadeayne (Translator)

3.38 of 5 stars 3.38 · rating details · 280 ratings · 59 reviews

England 1161: Ellen, a blacksmith's daughter, wants to become a swordsmith, but for a girl this profession is unimaginable. Forced to run away from home, she disguises herself as a boy and wins the opportunity to travel with a famous swordsmith to Normandy, where the sons of the greatest barons are trained to be knights. Under the assumed identity of Alan, Ellen is able to...more

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Published December 6th 2011 by Amazon Publishing (first published January 1st 2008)

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Feb 12, 2013 Lolly's rated it 2 of 5 stars

Shelves: amazon-vine, historical-fiction

Research - 5 stars (at least as far as blacksmithing goes)
Execution - 1 star
Writing ability - 2 stars

Originally published in Germany in 2006, The Copper Sign was picked up and translated by Amazon.com's AmazonCrossing publishing imprint. Now, I don't know if it's the fault of the translator or if it's the fault of the original prose, but despite the book's history, it still reads as a self-published work. There's a good book in here and a competent editor would've brought it out. As it stands, t...more Research - 5 stars (at least as far as blacksmithing goes)
Execution - 1 star
Writing ability - 2 stars

Originally published in Germany in 2006, The Copper Sign was picked up and translated by Amazon.com's AmazonCrossing publishing imprint. Now, I don't know if it's the fault of the translator or if it's the fault of the original prose, but despite the book's history, it still reads as a self-published work. There's a good book in here and a competent editor would've brought it out. As it stands, though, one has to wade through a lot of chaff to get to the few kernels of a good story.

First off, there's the length: over 600 pages. And this is just the first novel of a trilogy. This book could've been cut down into a trilogy all by itself. That said, most of those 600 pages are devoted to a whole lotta nothing. I give credit to the author: It's obvious she loves the art of blacksmithing and it's just as obvious she's studied it in a great deal of depth. However, like many authors, it's just as obvious she had a hard time deciding what research to cut from her story and so decided just to put all of it in. As a result, we get many passages detailing (and I do mean detailing) the work put into creating a medieval sword and other ironworking skills. After a while, the book begins to read as a treatise on medieval metallurgy, which, in context, would be fascinating, I'm sure. But not in the middle of a fiction novel. A few brief passages here and there, highlighting specific points of the process would've given the reader plenty of insight into how medieval craftspeople worked without bogging the narrative down.

Speaking of the narrative, to be honest, there really wasn't one. There was no over-arching plot, just a series of vignettes in which the main character, Ellen, moves from one location to another. Ellen would change location, there would be a small conflict, she'd move and the cycle would begin again. There was no great growth of character and no building of the story towards a great conflict to be resolved in the final act. Speaking of those multiple small conflicts, after a while they became tiresome and quite ridiculous. Though news didn't travel as far or as quickly in that time period, stories of criminals and people wanted for crimes would've been grist for the gossip mill and would've nearly flown through the network of merchants, tinkers/peddlers, jongleurs/minstrels and others who traveled between towns and villages. Ellen, who during the tale is accused of murder and a few other crimes, simply moves to the next town when, pardon my language, the shit hit the fan, and manages to set up shop as a blacksmith, a female blacksmith, mind you, which was no ordinary thing. Every time she moves, she manages to avoid ever being recognized or charged for the crimes--for which she's innocent, but that's beside the point--with nary a bailiff or magistrate sniffing around her shop to harass or arrest her. I'm sorry, but that stretches the limits of reality. No one is that lucky, especially when Ellen is equally unlucky in having all these tragedies occur in her life, tragedies which spur her nomadic movements and fuel each vignette. The whole novel just didn't flow properly, never mind the fact that it was just so one-dimensional. However, what really struck me about the plot was just how little the characters interacted with the times in which they lived. As the reader, you never got a sense of the history, of what was going on with the politics of the time. Sure, kings were mentioned and war campaigns were talked about, but it was in a secondary, off-hand way. Even though Ellen met with Henry, the Young King (son and crowned heir of Henry II), the whole scene felt as though she was simply meeting with another character and not an actual historical personage. There was no sense of place to the entire novel. It could've been set in any time, in any country. About the only details of life in that particular time period which permeated the story were details concerning the middle/lower classes and even those details were limited to narrow section of the population, that of the craftspeople which populated the towns and countryside.

Then we come to the characters, none of which I ever identified with or sympathized with or even particularly liked. Ellen herself was bipolar: One moment she would be stubborn and proud and so very, very prickly; the next she would be meek and pious. Most of the time, though, she's either mean or disparaging to those around her, which means she spends the rest of the time wondering why they're angry with her or sad because of something she said. And, of course, every man who met her fell in love with her in some way, even when she was disguised as a boy. Puh-lease! That particular angle drove one of the characters, Thibault, the villain of the piece. Thibault first meets Ellen when she's disguised as Alan and apprenticed to the local blacksmith. Thibault finds himself attracted to this "boy" and flagellates himself for his dirty desires. When he eventually finds out Alan is Ellen, he loathes her with a dark rage even as he still desires her, which drives his actions throughout the book. His rage/passion drives him to perpetrate dark deeds, including murder, all to clear the way for him to make Ellen his woman. (view spoiler) Basically, Thibault is a one-dimensional pig; a cad, a rapist, a bully, a loathsome man. He's a standard, black hat wearing villain with no depth. You hate him because he's hate-able and that's it. The remaining characters were either your standard archetypes or ciphers, placed in the story for Ellen to find or interact with, but that's about it. About the only one with potential was Isaac, another blacksmith we meet towards the end of the novel and, naturally, another love interest for Ellen. His personality actually progresses and develops some depth, making him quite unique.

Fox's writing is passable, though obviously in need of editing, as with the rest of the book. There was a sense of awkwardness to the whole thing, especially as concerns the dialogue, and this occasional inelegance would be enough to jar me out of a scene and make me wish the passage had been written in a more pleasing fashion. To be honest, until I read the author bio at the back of the book, I would've sworn Katia Fox was a young adult. Her use, or should I say, over-use of exclamation points reminded me of a teenager's journal. Characters, in their speech, would enthuse! About the smallest things! Things which weren't exciting at all! After a while, 'Find the Exclamation Point' became a game, though not a drinking one; I would've been hammered after a page or two.

I doubt I will read the other two books in the series. Firstly, because I didn't find The Copper Sign all that enthralling or leaving me breathless for book two, as the back of book claims one will be upon finishing the novel. And secondly, I honestly can't see any of the characters having much left to say or do; they didn't do that much in this book. The concept behind this novel is intriguing and with a competent editor, The Copper Sign (and subsequent novels) could've probably been something spectacular. As it stands now, though, I would be hard pressed to recommend it to anyone. Sorry.(less)

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Jul 20, 2012 Scott rated it 1 of 5 stars

Shelves: medieval-historical-fiction

Katie Fox's "The Copper Sign" reads like a graduate thesis in medieval blacksmithing - well-researched, extremely detailed, and undeniably boring. A friend had recommended this book as a good companion to Ken Follett's "The Pillars of the Earth." I agree that it's a companion book in that both novels focus on craftsmen in the Middle Ages. I also agree that both books are door-stop heavy.

But the parallels end there.

"The Copper Sign" tells the lengthy tale of Ellen, a young English girl who wants...more Katie Fox's "The Copper Sign" reads like a graduate thesis in medieval blacksmithing - well-researched, extremely detailed, and undeniably boring. A friend had recommended this book as a good companion to Ken Follett's "The Pillars of the Earth." I agree that it's a companion book in that both novels focus on craftsmen in the Middle Ages. I also agree that both books are door-stop heavy.

But the parallels end there.

"The Copper Sign" tells the lengthy tale of Ellen, a young English girl who wants to be a blacksmith with every fiber in her being. Due to the period's institutional sexism, Ellen faces what can charitably be described as an uphill battle. Things take an even more ominous turn when Ellen accidentally witnesses her mother's infidelity and Ellen must flee for her life. At a time when many people never wandered more than a few miles from the village where they were born, the prospects of a young girl leaving her home were bleak.

Through a series of contrived plot twists and too-convenient deaths and changes of heart, Ellen's life becomes a series of incidents as she wanders from place to place, gradually building the skills needed to become a leading sword-smith. Indeed, her goal is to be so famous at her craft that she will make a sword for the King of England.

The best scenes in "The Copper Sign" (the title refers to the copper "E" Ellen uses to adorn her first, greatest sword) focus on the craft of blacksmithing and swordmaking. Unfortunately, the book is over 600 pages and there's a lot going on besides swordmaking. While I respect anyone who takes the time to write a book, Fox quite simply cannot write dialogue. Her characters speak in simple declarative sentences! And she uses too many adverbs - 'crossly,' 'gruffly,' 'eagerly' - to describe how somebody is talking! And her characters end almost all their sentences in exclamation points! There are a lot of exclamation points in this book! If you like exclamation points, you will love "The Copper Sign"!

Action scenes fall depressingly flat. Without giving too much away, a climactic scene sees a villain holding a dagger to Ellen's throat, daring another character to save her. In the very next paragraph, the good guy draws his sword, walks over, and stabs the villain in the chest - villain falls dead, scene over. What the heck???

Granted, Ms. Fox did not write "The Copper Sign" in English (her book was translated into English by Lee Chadeayne, who also translated the recent hit, "The Hangman's Daughter"), so something may have been lost in translation. But the book's threadbare characters, tedious dialogue, and wandering narrative cannot be blamed on the translation.

There's a good 300-page book in these 600-plus pages, but it would have required a strong editor to find it. (less)

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Sep 06, 2012 Estibaliz79 rated it 2 of 5 stars

Recommended to Estibaliz79 by: Francisca Muñoz Lara

Hacía bastante tiempo que tenía ganas de leer esta novela porque, francamente, a simple vista su argumento parecía de lo más interesante. ¿Las peripecias de una mujer que persigue su sueño de ser forjadora de espadas en la Edad Media? ¿Que en el proceso conoce el apasionante mundo de los torneos y los caballeros? Dicho así, yo lo compro... ¡Qué ingenuidad! Aunque en mi defensa diré que, al leer semejante extracto, se me vino a la cabeza "La Templaria" de Wolfgang Hohlbein, que esa sí es una lect...more

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Mar 23, 2012 John rated it 3 of 5 stars

I'm not sure how to place this book. Though the storyline of a young girl going against society and becoming a master swordsmith sounds like young-adult, the intrigues along the way are downright adult romance-novel material.

Storyline moves along nicely throughout, dates and place-names given on the chapter help the reader along. Dialogs are natural and unforced, with emotional color. Societal and culinary history add the flavors required to give the reader a feeling for the period. Descriptions...more

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Nov 09, 2011 Melissa rated it 1 of 5 stars

Shelves: bad-content, didn-t-finish

I was really interested in this book and wanted to finish, but the content of the book is not what I would read.I skipped around a lot especially when the book focused on the "Bad guy" who was sexually obsessed with our main character. I felt so bad for this girl her life was just one tragedy after another. There was a point in the book she was living in a safe place with people who loved her but her need to be a blacksmith drove her into more bad situations. I just couldn't read about anything...more

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Dec 17, 2011 Katy rated it 3 of 5 stars

3.5 STARS - This is a really good story for someone who has the patience to read a long book and take in a lot of information. But the book dragged, and the writing was dull - though I'm not sure much of that is due to the language lost in translation.

I have mixed feelings about this book because I was really intrigued by the storyline from Ellen's ambition to the hardships she has suffered to the romances she had experienced to the outcome at the end. But I also felt like I was reading a whole...more

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Nov 26, 2012 Batsheva rated it 2 of 5 stars

Shelves: depressingly-weird, historical, e-book

The writing style was a little odd, but I put that down to the translation from the original German. On the plus side, the story held my interest strongly enough that I read it in one sitting. I enjoyed the author's detailed descriptions of middle ages era blacksmithing, which were fascinating. It was also interesting to see a woman's perspective on 12th c. European life and society. The characters were less than lovable, everyone kept dying (which is at least historically appropriate, although...more

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Jun 01, 2012 Sarah rated it 3 of 5 stars

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Mar 25, 2012 Charlotte rated it 4 of 5 stars

There was something about Fox's writing that I just didn't like, a certain lack of emotional depth and an overuse of exclamation points in the dialogue. When I read the author bio at the end, I realized that it had been translated from German, which made the strangeness of the text make a little more sense. But despite the writing style, this was a book that I had trouble putting down.

The Copper Sign tells the story of Eleanweore, the daughter of a common blacksmith, who is drawn to the art fro...more There was something about Fox's writing that I just didn't like, a certain lack of emotional depth and an overuse of exclamation points in the dialogue. When I read the author bio at the end, I realized that it had been translated from German, which made the strangeness of the text make a little more sense. But despite the writing style, this was a book that I had trouble putting down.

The Copper Sign tells the story of Eleanweore, the daughter of a common blacksmith, who is drawn to the art from a young age. Being a girl, there is little hope that she'll be able to follow her dream until she discovers the local lord having a liaison with her mother. With little explanation as to why this is such a tremendous problem, Ellen is forced to flee for her life. She is disguised as a boy for her safety and then takes to the road, where she quickly finds work as a blacksmith's apprentice. It becomes quickly evident that she's a natural, with the potential to become a swordsmith, the highest art of smithing. Being uniquely gifted, she quickly masters what he can teach her and moves on to a bigger town and a her master's master, a legendary swordsmith. When her new master is forced by the king to move to Normandy, she goes with him and quickly becomes involved with the life of the squires who are training to be knights in Toqueville.

Among the squires in Toqueville she meets William Marshall, the real life Mohammed Ali of the Norman England jousting circuit. (For a great read about William Marshall, read The Greatest Knight, by Elizabeth Chadwick). From the beginning, William is making enemies with his success and as he befriends the little blacksmith and teaches her how to fight, his enemies become hers. The plot is often driven by a rather shallow enemy who is obsessed with Ellen and driven by jealousy of William to be a bad guy. He is, of course, her secret half-brother, but she cannot prove it. He has no qualities other than being the weak-willed menace to Ellen and nearly destroys the novel. His characterization is the weakest part of the novel, but it's a very weak part.

The Copper Sign is a typical journey novel, with one adventure following another with somewhat loose couplings, but atypically has a female lead. While she is, of course, beautiful and her sexual appeal is the primary source of her problems, but she also struggles with being taken seriously as a swordsmith. This struggle with balancing her work with her family and dealing with the responsibility of being the primary breadwinner in a man's world is a modern problem, which is a big strength of the novel. And for all of the flaws of the shallow plot line and lack of any deep introspection from any of the characters, the characters are unusual and you do want to know where Ellen is going to go next. One of the big strengths of the novel is that the secondary characters are really interesting; the world is deep and detailed and in her travels, the reader experiences peasant life, an apprenticeship, the noble tournament circuit and a brief brush with the rising middle class. You walk into their homes and experience the problems of a whole cast of characters that would make for a great movie, but are somewhat disappointing in a book, because you want to know them better than you get to.

All the same, this is the first book of a trilogy that I suspect I will have to finish reading. The history may be better than the characters or the plot, but the history is very good.

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Jan 29, 2012 Sara Diane rated it 1 of 5 stars

I got this one because it sounded remotely interesting and it was on a great deal for the Kindle. I ended up returning it because the content was so slimy that I didn't want to touch it.

There is nothing elegant or even pretty about Fox's writing skill, and her storytelling leaves much to be desired. It's hard to pin down the main character's age, yet we have sex scenes right and left, including an incest-rape. Fox has no sense of pacing, skipping whole years and then rushing through the interest...more

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Apr 17, 2012 Fred Dickson rated it 2 of 5 stars

A book containing self flagellation, a girl in disguise, incestual rape, jousting, sword fighting, and more should be exciting. Somehow, this managed to include all of this and I still had to keep myself awake reading it. Also, all of the characters talked like they were doing their best robot impressions. I don't think anyone used a contraction during dialogue until the last chapter, it was very odd. "You are gorgeous and very interesting." was my favorite line, I laughed out loud. Everything w...more

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Feb 06, 2012 Doug rated it 1 of 5 stars · review of another edition

I am not a fan of historical fiction, and I think this book was mis-classified and mis-recommended to me on Amazon. Fortunately, I did not pay a bunch of money for it.

I was disappointed with this book, being under the impression it was different than what it ended up being.

As far as the book itself goes, I found the story line interesting in places, but the overall pace of the book plodded along extremely slowly. I find the premise of the book somewhat hard to believe due to the time frame in wh...more

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Mar 19, 2012 Heather Ramey rated it 3 of 5 stars

This book is a 3 star in the begging but goes down to a 2 star in the end. I was really interested in the idea of the book, the writting however seemed juvenile. The way the story was told seemed geared for young adults, however there were sceens I would definitely not want a teenager to read. They also might be bogged down in the history and the details of smithing. Which as an adult I enjoyed the depth of research she obviously had to do. In the end the character became so self centered and re...more

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Oct 04, 2012 Fragmentage rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Mit diesem Buch habe ich mein Goodreads-Ziel für 2012 erreicht und es hat mich insgesamt positiv überrascht, da ich für 99 Cent nicht wirklich viel erwartet hatte.

The Copper Sign (Deutsch: Das kupferne Zeichen) ist ein Mittelalterroman, der sich intensiv mit der Schmiede- und insbesondere der Schwertschmiedekunst auseinandersetzt, während er die junge Ellen dabei begleitet, wie sie ihren Traum verfolgt, die beste Schwertschmiedin Englands zu werden und schließlich sogar ein Schwert für den Köni...more

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May 20, 2012 Justin rated it 3 of 5 stars

Shelves: historical-fiction, medieval

This review was first published in the Historical Novel Review.

When Ellen is forced to flee home, she must pretend to be a boy to pursue her life’s passion: to become a sword-smith. Her natural daring and tenacity bring her through innumerable obstacles and betrayal, and into the shop of a renowned blacksmith. Through her travels, both in England and on the Continent, she masters her trade and becomes acquainted with court life, complete with its high-living, politics, and intrigue. It is in cou...more

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Jan 31, 2012 Michael Jones rated it 3 of 5 stars

Shelves: fiction-that-is-more-historical

3.5 stars. I'm glad I stuck with it. Our heroine goes through many great struggles and some of them really are accurate portrayals of some of the things in the 11th century life.

But I learned a lot about the making of swords, scabbard's, hilts, etc. and this book certainly brings you in touch with struggles that a woman would go through if she had wanted to be a swordsmith in those days.

The plot contains many interesting shifts and tight spots. Lots of diabolical intrigue. It was refreshing, t...more

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Jun 02, 2012 Amanda Kimball rated it 3 of 5 stars

Shelves: historical-fiction

I'd give this between2 1/2 and 3 stars. I started this back in March when i didn't have anything else to read on a plane, and just picked it back up a few days ago. This novel is so richly filled with history and knowledge of the art of blacksmithing! Kati's Fox truly did her research and it truly paid off in her writing. As others have said, this book gets 5 stars for its research. From there, it loses a few stars. I felt as though it was a little long-winded and at times felt as though we skip...more

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Feb 22, 2013 Anne rated it 2 of 5 stars

Shelves: historical-fiction, read2013

Complete disappointment by the end. Started out well, Ellen wants nothing more than to work in the smith wither her father and become a swordmaker in her own right. But she's a girl, and this is 1161, so that's not possible. At first, the story was interesting, with wanting to know if and how Ellen would achieve her dream but by the third time something bad happened and Ellen had to flee with nothing and start all over again - but always with some convenient miracle so it's not too hard - I was...more

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Jan 15, 2012 Mary rated it 3 of 5 stars

In this books defense - it is a translation. At first I found it really difficult to read. The author gives way to much detail in times when it's not needed and the language is a bit simple. However, after I realized this book was translated into English I began to enjoy it a bit more. The author weaves a good story and the main character is likable. If you skim over some of the long descriptions it helps to make the story more fast paced and interesting. If you want a quick historical fiction r...more

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Feb 01, 2013 Klara Sjo rated it 2 of 5 stars

Shelves: 2013

The book suffer from being poorly edited. Too much stuff, too many people whom I don't care about, and too many looks into everyday life, which don't bring anything to the story, and pull the story ahead.

What I did like was the bits about forging, and the glances into the 12c society.

I read the first half over a weekend, and then left it for two months without even missing it. Or even wondering how the Ellen & her men fared.

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Aug 31, 2012 Lisa rated it 3 of 5 stars

I enjoyed this book, but there were times where I was skimming through some of the descriptions of the process of sword making. It was extremely detailed - which is great if you are interested in learning about the subject. Not so great of you are not, and it also helped to make the book over 600 pages. It dragged.

It also felt as though it were written by a teenager at points. I think this is bc it's a translated book, but it definitely took away from some of the enjoyment of the story. I'm in...more

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Jun 11, 2012 Jaerwolfe rated it 1 of 5 stars

I got tired of the main female character being a victim all the time very quickly and the bad guy? Cliched, flat and boring. No depth. In fact, that pretty much describes all of the characters in the book. Shallow. Several times the author would have interesting plot lines and then they would go absolutely no where because it was time for the main female character to have something bad happen to her again.

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Nov 25, 2012 Prettytaz83 rated it 3 of 5 stars

This book started off very slow--- for the first 60 pages I had a really hard time connecting to the characters and wasn't sure I was going to continue reading.

Then it picked up, and finished off as a strong interesting book--- unnecessarily lengthy at points, but interesting in the presentation.

There were a few plot points that seemed superfluous, but I would definitely recommend pushing through!

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Mar 09, 2012 Amber rated it 3 of 5 stars

This is a solid 3 for me. It got a little long-winded in areas and some of the content was a bit shocking, but I don't think any of it was trashy or smutty. The research that must have gone into this amazes me and I enjoyed the read but it was not a fast, easy read by any means. I am, however, intrigued to find out what the second book will contain and where it will lead from here.

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Feb 01, 2012 Rhiannon rated it 2 of 5 stars

This book was just okay for me...i bought it b/c it was 99 cents on Amazon and I thought I would give it a try. Some of the wording seemed strange to me, once I found out it had been translated into english I was able to tolerate the writing a little better. Aside from that I felt like multiple times the author was building up to a climax and then nothing... and that was frustrating. It took me awhile to finish this book because I kept getting bored with the story...it was worth it for 99¢ but I...more

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Mar 04, 2012 Sandy rated it 2 of 5 stars

The book seemed interesting when I read the teaser: the end of the dark ages, a very young girl disguising herself as a boy to pursue a career as a blacksmith and the challenge of being driven to excel at her trade. Those were the plusses. The minuses were the uneven writing and rough segues--Pillars of the Earth it wasn't.

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Feb 05, 2012 Amy rated it 5 of 5 stars

Shelves: won-it

So excited, thanks Good Reads Giveaways! Made my day, winning a book is the best!
Received my copy today, thanks for the giveaway! Can't wait to start into this book.
I read this book and really enjoyed it. The story starts off with Ellen helping her father in the forge and he was saying how it was a shame she wasn't a boy who could work there for a living. The book follows Ellen through her life into her later years as an adult with a new life ahead of her. There are twists and turns in every cha...more

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Feb 26, 2013 Lisa rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

I enjoyed the story in The Copper Sign, and thought the description of the craft of being a smith and a sword-maker was well done.

I didn't always like that just at the moment that the main character found happiness something bad happened. The ending seemed sort of rushed, and it seemed to be missing some details. This was overall a good read and for any one who wanted to know a little more about sword making I would recommend it.

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Mar 28, 2012 Cassidy Washburn rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: i-own, goodreads-giveaways

I will never find enough time in my day to descibe this book.... So much happened in it but it was definitely a good read. I do have to say that some parts were confusing like as to how old the characters were because many years passed throughout the entire book. Another thing that got confusing was who was who.... Many names were repeated throughout the book and I can understand why, but I only thought it was a bit confusing. Over all it was a good book. Lots of adventure, but I have to warn yo...more

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Feb 18, 2012 Sue rated it 2 of 5 stars

Shelves: fiction

It was okay. It had a lot of potential but it just didn't quite make it. It could be several things. This was probably the author's first book. It definitely sounded like it while I was reading it. But it could also be the not so great translation? Reading the pages before the story, it looked like it was originally written in German. If that's the case, the way some of the book was translated seemed very elementary style but other times, it seemed fine and more grown up. If that makes any sense...more

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