God's Problem: How the Bible Fails to Answer Our Most Important Question-Why We Suffer
One Bible, Many Answers: In God's Problem, the New York Times bestselling author of Misquoting Jesus challenges the contradictory biblical explanations for why an all-powerful God allows us to suffer.
ebook, 304 pages
Published
October 13th 2009
by HarperCollins e-books
(first published February 19th 2008)
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Disclaimer : I just reread this review and it's very disrespectful to the topic at hand and portrays complex ideas in a crude cartoonlike and smirky way. There's a celebrity death match between God and Satan, a nervous Jewish spokesman, and something called The Lone Bangster.
Shakes head.
Shrugs.
Does not get struck by lightning.
Yet!
Okay. It could be that I read this book sadistically, having c...more
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Disclaimer : I just reread this review and it's very disrespectful to the topic at hand and portrays complex ideas in a crude cartoonlike and smirky way. There's a celebrity death match between God and Satan, a nervous Jewish spokesman, and something called The Lone Bangster.
Shakes head.
Shrugs.
Does not get struck by lightning.
Yet!
Okay. It could be that I read this book sadistically, having c...more
Read this book.
I don’t care if you are a fundamentalist Christian or a wishy-washy Christian or a lapsed Christian or a never was Christian – the discussion here in this book is so important and so well put together that I would find it hard to believe that any thinking human being would not get something worthwhile out of it.
I’ve only recently finished reading another of his books – Misquoting Jesus. I came away from that book not really knowing if the author was a Christian or not – and really...more
I don’t care if you are a fundamentalist Christian or a wishy-washy Christian or a lapsed Christian or a never was Christian – the discussion here in this book is so important and so well put together that I would find it hard to believe that any thinking human being would not get something worthwhile out of it.
I’ve only recently finished reading another of his books – Misquoting Jesus. I came away from that book not really knowing if the author was a Christian or not – and really...more
Sep 04, 2008
Paul
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This book is well written, no doubt there. Ehrman has a knack for writing to the “man on the street.” As such this book reads fast and smooth, much like his Misquoting Jesus. Thus, my low ranking is due to the content of the book, the cogency of the argumentation. This book is so chalk full of errors that the measly 10,000 characters goodreads gives isn’t enough. I could use 100,000 characters.
God's problem is that suffering exists and the Bible can't explain it. Ehrman tries to show this by not...more
God's problem is that suffering exists and the Bible can't explain it. Ehrman tries to show this by not...more
I heard Bart Ehrman speak on the radio. He teaches in Chapel Hill. He was speaking about how there is nothing redemptive in the suffering of parents who lost a child in an auto accident. He said this on the radio just as I was driving by the house where a friend of my son lived--he was an only child killed in a car accident a few years ago. I had to buy the book. I was also struck by his openness and understanding about faith--he is not writing from a position of antagonism.
As I read the book, I...more
As I read the book, I...more
I really enjoyed this book. The author looks at a question none of us enjoys thinking about - why is there such overwhelming suffering in the world? Suffering comes in all forms, crimes, thuggery, personal oppression, wars, mudslides, tsunamis, mob mentality and genocide.
The 21st Century American mind probably finds it hard to fully comprehend the scope of suffering in the world and in history. Outside of personal tragedies involving disease and acidents, much of our exposure to suffering comes...more
The 21st Century American mind probably finds it hard to fully comprehend the scope of suffering in the world and in history. Outside of personal tragedies involving disease and acidents, much of our exposure to suffering comes...more
Apr 25, 2008
Jodi
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Recommended to Jodi by:
my bff David :)
Why we suffer? This is a question that I continue to ask of my Christian faith. I was excited when this book was recommended to me because I hoped to get some insight into this question although once I checked it out from the library I kept putting it to the side and reading other things. Perhaps I didn't want to find out the answer to the question. I was forced to finally start the book this week as it is coming due, and I am so glad that I took the time to read it. The author examines the vari...more
Hands-down the best book on the Biblical views of suffering that I have read. Bart Ehrman uses his scholarship in historical texts and theology to analyse different and contradictory views of suffering in the Bible: that of the prophets (God who punishes and rewards), the two views of the two different books of Job (God who tests in the Job prose, or God who confounds and is mysterious in the poetic interaction with Job's friends), as well as the Maccabean/New Testament apocalyptic view which th...more
Every five seconds, a child starves to death.
Ehrman uses this and other facts to argue that suffering is a huge problem. He then goes on to describe suffering as God's problem, in that the many explanations that the Bible uses to address the problem of suffering fall short, and/or are contradictory.
Every five seconds a child starves to death. Every five seconds.
I found my reaction to this book very similar to my reaction to theodicy arguments, though I did appreciate that this was very well gro...more
Ehrman uses this and other facts to argue that suffering is a huge problem. He then goes on to describe suffering as God's problem, in that the many explanations that the Bible uses to address the problem of suffering fall short, and/or are contradictory.
Every five seconds a child starves to death. Every five seconds.
I found my reaction to this book very similar to my reaction to theodicy arguments, though I did appreciate that this was very well gro...more
Ehrman has definitely earned his stripes in biblical exegesis. His analysis and summary of the scriptures is very well done. His conclusions, however, don't follow his analysis. He raised the question over and over "Can all suffering in the world be explained by the judgement of God for sin?" He quoted and summarized a lot of scripture to show that many biblical authors held the view that God judges sin and it causes suffering. He did nothing to show that God's judgment causes all suffering. He...more
Of all of Ehrman books, this is one is the most personal. It was the study of how the bible tries to explain suffering that clinched it for Ehrman, that no personal god could possibly exist. Not being all that familiar with much of the research around stories in the Hebrew Bible, I found his study and analysis truly fascinating. I kept thinking while reading the book that only religious folks could struggle with "why" there is suffering. It is rather obvious in a world that evolved by creatures...more
If there is an all-powerful all-loving God, then why do people suffer? One would think that if God could and wanted to prevent suffering, then He would - but He doesn't. One answer is that God is less than all-powerful; the extreme of this position is that God has no power at all, which is to say He might as well not exist. Another is that God is less than all-loving, or, equivalently, there is an evil god; Satan of folk Christianity and Islam is such a figure. Another was proposed by Gottfried...more
Ehrman has written a string of highly readable and engaging books in the popular mode which present the state of current biblical scholarship, or rather critical biblical scholarship as it exists outside evangelical or traditional circles. He as done so again but with the twist that it is through the lens of what philosophers call “the problem of evil,” namely how can it be that a morally perfect and almighty being should allow evil and suffering. Ehrman has precious little patience for the nuan...more
There's much to say about this book, but let me try to be brief.
First, what's refreshing about dealing with Ehrman as opposed to some of the related writings of the new atheists, is that Ehrman knows the Bible and Christianity well. And while he is given to overstatement and conflation, he does get a number of things right. In this book, for example, the basic categories he lays out in terms of the biblical response to theodicy (the problem of evil) are pretty spot on. The Bible does have a num...more
First, what's refreshing about dealing with Ehrman as opposed to some of the related writings of the new atheists, is that Ehrman knows the Bible and Christianity well. And while he is given to overstatement and conflation, he does get a number of things right. In this book, for example, the basic categories he lays out in terms of the biblical response to theodicy (the problem of evil) are pretty spot on. The Bible does have a num...more
God's Problem by Bart D. Ehrman
God's Problem is a fantastic book of how the Bible fails to answer the question of why we suffer. Accomplished author and biblical critic, Bart D. Erhman takes us through a realistic biblical ride on the four main justifications of suffering: suffering caused by sin, suffering caused by sins committed by others, redemptive suffering, and finally suffering as a test of faith. This excellent 304 page-book is composed of the following nine chapters: 1. Suffering and...more
God's Problem is a fantastic book of how the Bible fails to answer the question of why we suffer. Accomplished author and biblical critic, Bart D. Erhman takes us through a realistic biblical ride on the four main justifications of suffering: suffering caused by sin, suffering caused by sins committed by others, redemptive suffering, and finally suffering as a test of faith. This excellent 304 page-book is composed of the following nine chapters: 1. Suffering and...more
Not since I discovered Karen Armstrong have I regarded a critique of biblical doctrine so highly. Mr. Ehrman was not scathing (think Bugliosi) or uneducated in theology (he holds post graduate degrees theology) or inexperienced (he teaches New Testament Studies at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hills, and has been a practicing Pastor).
I enjoyed his personal observations that while once a devoted Christian, it took him several years to become de-converted. And, as he says, he went kic...more
I enjoyed his personal observations that while once a devoted Christian, it took him several years to become de-converted. And, as he says, he went kic...more
I did not enjoy this book as much as Misquoting Jesus or Jesus Interrupted. Ehrman lays out the problem of evil and how that lead him away from the faith. Naturally when dealing with this topic you have to talk about the injustices that are prevalent on this planet and Ehrman does, but he lists them all to often. He says he does this so that the problem of evil isn't dealt with in a sterile way. I appreciate that, but a few instances of this is heart breaking and then it just becomes desensitizi...more
Suffering is a practical problem, not an abstract one, in Ehrman's view. Every two or three seconds, someone dies from diseases due to filthy drinking water. Every five seconds, a child starves to death. Every twenty seconds, someone dies of malaria. Unfortunately, we don't often discuss these things productively, since in polite society, talking about suffering is "kind of like talking about toilet habits." (p. 14)
"Ancient Jews and Christians never questioned whether God existed," he recognizes...more
"Ancient Jews and Christians never questioned whether God existed," he recognizes...more
Bart Ehrman is Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the U of North Carolina. He is a highly regarded scholar of Biblical tradition, the early church, and the development of Christianity. He freely admits that he does not believe in God. He writes clearly and engagingly, and here he examines a number of theodicies (explanations of how a benevolent and omnipotent God could allow pain, suffering, and evil in the world). He finds all of these explanations wanting, including the mutually c...more
Here Ehrman examines and illumines in considerable detail the numerous, various Biblical “answers” to the problem of evil—why there is so much suffering, particularly so much apparently unwarranted suffering. His analysis goes from the prophets (suffering is punishment for sin) to Job (suffering is a test, or suffering is just beyond comprehension) to Ecclesiastes (stuff just happens—accept it) to apocalyptic thinking (it’ll all work out in the end).
For me personally, the most helpful was his tr...more
For me personally, the most helpful was his tr...more
Dr. Ehrman is a former Baptist pastor and is a doctorate level theologian teaching at Chapel Hill in the U.S.. He became an agnostic and left the church, and his belief in God, many years ago. Part of his reason for doing so was his detailed study and exploration of the question of why there is suffering, what suffering means, and why God allows innocents to suffer. Indeed, I have struggled with the same question and come to a similar conclusion - God, at least the all powerful personal God of t...more
Bart Ehrman is a clear and accessible writer. Here his erudition about the Bible gives a useful background for those wanting a complete survey of the many way the Old and New Testaments try to rationalize human suffering. They are many -- not just the one or the few responses so easily brought to mind by those of us living under the influence of religion Lite. For that matter, religion non-Lite does nothing to palliate pain or confusion; quite the opposite. Readers come to understand how Ehrman,...more
I read Bart Ehrman’s newest book, Jesus, Interrupted around a year ago and enjoyed it. So I picked up God’s Problem after I saw it on a bargain rack at Barnes & Noble, not just because it was a cheap buy, but because it seemed to explain Ehrman’s shift from diehard Evangelism to agnosticism. In this book, he does exactly what the subtitle declares and shows how the Bible does not provide a sound, consistent or convincing argument for the existence of suffering in the world.
It’s a question th...more
It’s a question th...more
I found this a good, and enlightening, presentation of the many different views of suffering presented in the bible. I wish Ehrman had stuck to bible exegesis and left his opinions out of the text. The book ends up being mostly about Ehrman and what he believes. He rejects explanations of suffering, not because of rigorous logic or applied scholarship, but because he personally doesn't find them satifying. He doesn't show or prove that the bible fails to answer the question of why we suffer, he...more
Dec 01, 2010
Paul Hamilton
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From the front cover, Ehrman's position on the question of human suffering as relates to the nature and/or reality of a living, all-powerful God is pretty clear. What surprised me about the book God's Problem is that he uses the Bible almost exclusively as his reference point for constructing his argument that the question of why humans suffer ultimately undermines the tenets of Christian (and by extension, Jewish) belief.
In an obvious-in-hindsight sort of way, it makes sense as any set of argum...more
In an obvious-in-hindsight sort of way, it makes sense as any set of argum...more
Ehrman is a very talented writer. In this book he tackles difficult topics in a way that should be easily understood by the average reader. Each chapter begins with real-life illustrations of sufferings. Some of these are from Ehrman's life, he gets very personal discussing his father's experiences in World War II, while some are from the news, such as hurricanes, tsunamis and mudslides. These illustrations then lead into a discussion of the biblical data, with each chapter looking at a differen...more
May 31, 2012
Todd Martin
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In God's Problem, Bart Ehrman examines the reasons the bible gives for why we suffer. The reason this is a problem for religious adherents was summarized perfectly by Epicurus over 2000 years ago (which no one has yet been able to answer with any satisfaction):
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Th...more
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Th...more
Discusses the various, sometimes contradictory, ways in which the Bible explains the existence and meaning of suffering. The author, no longer a believer, explores the reasons behind these explanations being formulated in their own time and evaluates their (in)adequacies generally and for thinking people today. His material on apocalyptic explanations and figures, including Jesus and Paul, was especially interesting to me.
Jul 13, 2012
Benjamin Cano
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Professor Ehrman's thesis in this book, as he describes it, is to present and discuss theodicy from a biblical perspective: what do the Holy Bible have to say on the causes for human suffering.
He does so competently, identifying four or five schools of thought that draw on the biblical texts in order to explain suffering. He states repeatedly some version of this: "I am not saying that I believe this or that it happened. I am only presenting those stories from the text that the authors use to de...more
He does so competently, identifying four or five schools of thought that draw on the biblical texts in order to explain suffering. He states repeatedly some version of this: "I am not saying that I believe this or that it happened. I am only presenting those stories from the text that the authors use to de...more
Very readable and thoughtful. Ehrman explores "the question" that has always plagued humanity: Why do we suffer? The Bible offers many options: God is punishing sin, God is testing your faith (or proving a point), to inspire growth, and, later, even as proof that one is in God's will, for Satan attacks the most righteous (in contrast to 'God punishes sin and rewards obedience,' since people learned that they could obey or disobey, and they still suffered regardless. If you can instead believe th...more
Jan 20, 2011
Collin
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Recommends it for:
probably nobody
Recommended to Collin by:
maybe my dad? I'm not sure how I acquired my copy.
Short version of this review: I wasn't super impressed.
Erhman mentioned in several of his other books that the problem of suffering is what drove him to become agnostic, so I knew going in that he wouldn't find a satisfactory resolution (not a spoiler; the subtitle also gives it away, no?). I'm OK with that, since I've had roughly the same stance ever since I wrote a theodicy (theodicy = answering the question of why, if G*d is all-loving and all-powerful, there is suffering in the world) in col...more
Erhman mentioned in several of his other books that the problem of suffering is what drove him to become agnostic, so I knew going in that he wouldn't find a satisfactory resolution (not a spoiler; the subtitle also gives it away, no?). I'm OK with that, since I've had roughly the same stance ever since I wrote a theodicy (theodicy = answering the question of why, if G*d is all-loving and all-powerful, there is suffering in the world) in col...more
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Bart D. Ehrman is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor at the University of North Carolina (UNC) at Chapel Hill. He came to UNC in 1988, after four years of teaching at Rutgers University. At UNC he has served as both the Director of Graduate Studies and the Chair of the Department of Religious Studies.
A graduate of Wheaton College (Illinois), Professor Ehrman received both his Masters of Div...more
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