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Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality
Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality is an IN PROGRESS work of alternate-universe Harry Potter fan-fiction wherein Petunia Evans has married an Oxford biochemistry professor and young genius Harry grows up fascinated by science and science fiction. When he finds out that he is a wizard, he tries to apply scientific principles to his study of magic, with sometimes su...more
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Imagine Harry Potter being replaced with a Harry Potter with combined talents of Ender Wiggins, Artemis Fowl and Yagami Light and put him in world much darker than Rowling envisioned. Yep, that's what this book was. No Ron or Hagrid to distract you, this is a Machiavellian Harry who manipulates people to his own ends, with powers the Dark Lord knows not, and the ambition for world domination (or, as he would call it, world optimization)
It is a HUGE book and still ongoing. Took me three days stra...more
It is a HUGE book and still ongoing. Took me three days stra...more
AI researcher and decision theorist Eliezer Yudkowsky probably woke up one day and asked himself a single question: what would have happened in Harry Potter’s first year in Hogwarts, had he not been such an insufferable idiot?
You might not have considered him to be an idiot in the first place, but as the book progresses and the new Harry makes his way around Hogwarts, facing the same problems and situations, it becomes impossible to ignore the oh so logical and natural way he handles them this...more
You might not have considered him to be an idiot in the first place, but as the book progresses and the new Harry makes his way around Hogwarts, facing the same problems and situations, it becomes impossible to ignore the oh so logical and natural way he handles them this...more
First novel-length fanfiction I've read all the way through to the end. Linked via http://www.metafilter.com/105731/Reme... --comments on the fic start about halfway down the page.
Our what-if here is: what if Aunt Petunia had begged Lily to magic her a better life (via, primarily, beauty), and Lily had done so? Petunia marries a brilliant professor instead of Vernon Dursley, and Harry grows up loved and educated instead of abused.
So: Harry is a Ravenclaw, and a prodigy, and intends to approach...more
Our what-if here is: what if Aunt Petunia had begged Lily to magic her a better life (via, primarily, beauty), and Lily had done so? Petunia marries a brilliant professor instead of Vernon Dursley, and Harry grows up loved and educated instead of abused.
So: Harry is a Ravenclaw, and a prodigy, and intends to approach...more
A fun take on the Potterverse from someone obsessed with all the ways that humans fail to behave in ways that make sense - for a rather strict meaning of "make sense". Leaving aside the usual fights over the legitimacy of fanfic in general, the big question is how much Yudkowsky's Potter is an idealized author stand-in (a "Mary Sue", or "Marty Stu" in the parlance). My answer: Quite a lot, but not fatally. On the minus side, this Harry Potter talks and thinks quite a lot like someone in his late...more
I read this simultaneously with Bruce Sterling's Distraction, and they’re a bit intertwined for me. They both feature male protagonists who are special by birth—Oscar Valparaiso is a clone with extrahuman abilities, Harry Potter is The Boy Who Lived And Was Then Raised To Be Rational. They both involve a lot of political maneuvering, interpersonal manipulation, and being terribly clever. They’re both quite funny.
This is a web serial, reimagining JK Rowling with a single point of divergence: Petu...more
This is a web serial, reimagining JK Rowling with a single point of divergence: Petu...more
HPMOR (as it's known to fans) is the perfect book for nerds: funny, clever, rife with allusions to other great nerdly works, and yet seriously capable of teaching something real. In this case, the real value-add are principles of reasoning that can lead to better decisions by genuinely emotional, non-Spockian humans in real life.
Shockingly, this story also has a plot. It runs roughly parallel with the HP canon, but the relationships are different and the entire arc of the Potter stories seems d...more
Shockingly, this story also has a plot. It runs roughly parallel with the HP canon, but the relationships are different and the entire arc of the Potter stories seems d...more
Recently I've been wondering just what exactly I wanted from literary fiction. Surely I did not expect life-changing epiphanies, at least not from every single book. But neither did I want my books be merely means to cheap escapism, which I had, perhaps mistakenly, long associated with genre fiction. Somehow I seem to be asking both too much and not enough, and therein lies the reason for my inability to rekindle the kind of pure unadulterated love I used to have for reading. No longer can I sim...more
Harry Potter + science + philosophy = slightly mind boggling + very entertaining
All of the above is true.
However, whether or not I have truly read this fan fiction is a different question. In one sense, I have read it. In another, I have not. The reason for my discontinuity can easily be explained. I have read all of this work that exists up to this point in time. However, this book is far from complete.
In any case, though, I will accept that I have "read" this book because I can't be "current...more
All of the above is true.
However, whether or not I have truly read this fan fiction is a different question. In one sense, I have read it. In another, I have not. The reason for my discontinuity can easily be explained. I have read all of this work that exists up to this point in time. However, this book is far from complete.
In any case, though, I will accept that I have "read" this book because I can't be "current...more
So nerdy, so wonderful! My favorite line is Harry's family motto, "You can never have enough books!"
Everyone should give it a try, especially if you aren't morally opposed to harry potter and sometimes like rationality.
Even if you don't want to get through the whole thing, if you take the chapters as short stories the first few chapters or 100 pages are a compete riot.
If you're a historian you'll appreciate his occasional appeals to historical occasions during his search for moral high ground,...more
Everyone should give it a try, especially if you aren't morally opposed to harry potter and sometimes like rationality.
Even if you don't want to get through the whole thing, if you take the chapters as short stories the first few chapters or 100 pages are a compete riot.
If you're a historian you'll appreciate his occasional appeals to historical occasions during his search for moral high ground,...more
Preface with: I haven't read any of Rowlings' books.
This is the 'version' of Harry Potter where...
... His adoptive father was a professor of biochemistry, and hence Harry wound up spending a lot of his time getting tutored in science by his father's grad students.
... Harry is about as "ferociously scientific" as Ender Wiggins was militarily ferocious.
... Harry has, surprising for an 11 year old, a basic understanding of calculus, decision theory, game theory, and such like. The sort of understan...more
This is the 'version' of Harry Potter where...
... His adoptive father was a professor of biochemistry, and hence Harry wound up spending a lot of his time getting tutored in science by his father's grad students.
... Harry is about as "ferociously scientific" as Ender Wiggins was militarily ferocious.
... Harry has, surprising for an 11 year old, a basic understanding of calculus, decision theory, game theory, and such like. The sort of understan...more
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It starts off somewhat simply, as an exploration of what the actual underlying rules of Potterverse magic are, via the simple substitution that Harry Potter was raised by loving Muggle stepparents who taught him a lot about science and the scientific method. He gets one of those magic Bag of Holding devices and starts wondering, "Just how does it know what item I ask it for?" He finds that when he wants his bag of Galleons, he can say "Bag of gold" but not "Bag of element 79"; he can ask for gol...more
I can't decide if this was really good or really bad. As a novel (or the majority of a novel) it was pretty terrible. As fanfic it seemed pretty good (to me, which doesn't mean anything, because I am not the kind of guy that reads fanfic at all). I guess I'll go with three stars which seems to say both of those things at once.
Concept that I like: take 11-year-old Harry Potter, about to enter Hogwarts. Make him an incredibly astute and science-minded young boy, and then see just how he'd react to...more
Concept that I like: take 11-year-old Harry Potter, about to enter Hogwarts. Make him an incredibly astute and science-minded young boy, and then see just how he'd react to...more
Alright, my first complaint is that it should warn readers that it contains sensitive issues. I almost choked on the chocolate I've been eating when I read Draco's nonchalant threat of rape. I mean, hello? Isn't he still eleven? And okay, maybe there are lots of open-minded eleven-year-olds in the world but saying that to an almost complete stranger is too much! Harry was very close to being bad here; it made me wonder what that idiot Petunia had been teaching him. He is rude to his elders, whic...more
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Two facts
1.I loove the Harry Potter series and have reread the books so many times it's not even funny.
2.I've never read Harry Potter fanfic.
This fanfic caught my eye a couple of days ago and after reading just the first couple of pages I'm hooked.
Specifically, this statement from Professor McGonagall has me hooked:
"Hogwarts is quite capable of teaching the basics. And I suspect, Mr. Potter, that if I leave you alone for two months with your schoolbooks, even without a wand, I will return to thi...more
1.I loove the Harry Potter series and have reread the books so many times it's not even funny.
2.I've never read Harry Potter fanfic.
This fanfic caught my eye a couple of days ago and after reading just the first couple of pages I'm hooked.
Specifically, this statement from Professor McGonagall has me hooked:
"Hogwarts is quite capable of teaching the basics. And I suspect, Mr. Potter, that if I leave you alone for two months with your schoolbooks, even without a wand, I will return to thi...more
I wanted to like this, honestly. When I stumbled upon it and read that description, I figured it was going to be brilliant. So naturally it wasn't. The author leaves a note saying if you don't like it by chapter five, wait until chapter ten, and if you still don't like it by then, get out. That's exactly what I'm doing.
This isn't the first book (so to speak) where the idea is wonderful but it's executed horribly. For starters, the writing is a bit sloppy at times, and when I say at times, I mean...more
This isn't the first book (so to speak) where the idea is wonderful but it's executed horribly. For starters, the writing is a bit sloppy at times, and when I say at times, I mean...more
This is just a review for Chapters 1-62, and there has been a total of 85 chapters posted as of today.
This fanfiction is excellent. Not just excellent, amazing. Mildly ingenious in its concept, hilarious in its rendition, and most of all, worthy of the original books.
The logic is clever(not merely clever- scientifically sound- read the notes on the website if you don't believe me), the characters are likable.
Yes, it can get silly at times, from Harry throwing fits to the rather ridiculous level...more
This fanfiction is excellent. Not just excellent, amazing. Mildly ingenious in its concept, hilarious in its rendition, and most of all, worthy of the original books.
The logic is clever(not merely clever- scientifically sound- read the notes on the website if you don't believe me), the characters are likable.
Yes, it can get silly at times, from Harry throwing fits to the rather ridiculous level...more
This several-novel-length, ongoing fanfiction asks the question: what if instead of being raised by the cruel Dursleys, Harry Potter was raised by loving foster parents who encouraged him to hone his intellect and solve his problems with science and reason? His excitement about learning that magic is real (once he even decides that it's true) is immediately overwhelmed by his need to discover how and why it works, and his exploration of these concepts is what makes this story so entertaining.
Bu...more
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Imagine if Ender Wiggen were put in Harry Potter's place, and the cunning of other characters upgraded in a similar way. Yudkowsky is a gifted writer, and he plays off the tropes of fanfiction and the idiosyncrasies of the world of Hogwarts in a way that transcends the genre. The books is at times laugh out loud funny, touching, inspiring, and always very smart. Writing fanfiction in order to get more people to read your blog about obscure logical fallacies!? You'd have to be a genius to actuall...more
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My son, Sam, recommended this to me. It is by the author of his revered rationalist blog "Less Wrong". The premise is that a rationalist, experimental, scientific Harry Potter enters Hogwarts.
That didn't sound promising to me, or to most people. Fan Fiction. Life lessons lightly clothed in fiction.
To my astonishment, it's great. It's funny, exciting, involving, and there is a real satisfaction is seeing how easily the canon problems are brushed aside. By that I mean that this Harry is confronte...more
That didn't sound promising to me, or to most people. Fan Fiction. Life lessons lightly clothed in fiction.
To my astonishment, it's great. It's funny, exciting, involving, and there is a real satisfaction is seeing how easily the canon problems are brushed aside. By that I mean that this Harry is confronte...more
At the time of this review the story is 85 chapters, and counting, long (longer than the actual books), and still within the timeframe of the first book.
An alternate world where the role of Harry Potter is played by a somewhat sociopathic Sheldon Cooper. Instead of marrying the repugnant mr. Dursley, Harry's aunt Petunia married a respected physicist resulting in Harry being raised in a loving environment where knowledge is praised and making the most of your life an acceptable goal. Harry appro...more
An alternate world where the role of Harry Potter is played by a somewhat sociopathic Sheldon Cooper. Instead of marrying the repugnant mr. Dursley, Harry's aunt Petunia married a respected physicist resulting in Harry being raised in a loving environment where knowledge is praised and making the most of your life an acceptable goal. Harry appro...more
Great idea; terrible execution. In fact, I think the summary is completely misleading. While some scenes had me laughing out loud, I spent most of my time cringing or raising one eyebrow or the other; HPMOR is saturated with Yudkowsky's blatant disdain and a condescending tone.
Characters are, for the most part, wildly out of character. Harry completely fails to act like an 11 year old boy, and reads like a thinly-veiled, sociopathic self-insert. Draco is also worrying sociopathic, even beyond t...more
Characters are, for the most part, wildly out of character. Harry completely fails to act like an 11 year old boy, and reads like a thinly-veiled, sociopathic self-insert. Draco is also worrying sociopathic, even beyond t...more
I have never felt the need to take fan fiction seriously. They are, at best, exercises of creativity in a predetermined world, and the best of them usually do not stray too far from the established lore. As it stands, “Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality” is the only exception – it has hooked me in so deeply that I just cannot get out of the fascinating world that its author, Eliezer Yudkowsky, has created.
If you have always felt that Rowling’s characters, and vision of Hogwarts and magi...more
If you have always felt that Rowling’s characters, and vision of Hogwarts and magi...more
MOR reads like Ayn Rand- or, more charitably, Orson Scott Card, or Spider Robinson. It's deeply well-plotted and I honestly love its take on the characters and the world, but it suffers greatly from its preachy nature. Like the authors I named, Yudkowsky has a philosophy in mind, about extraordinary people who're smarter and more capable, and how they should react to and treat others; like those authors, he's so married to his position, so sure that his favorite way to think is the One Right Way...more
“Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality” is everything that is good and promising about the fanfiction world. Yudkowsky takes the universe of Harry Potter, obeys all the rules that Rowling established, but extends the world from the basic premise of The Boy Who Lived from being abused by the Dursleys, to being intellectually stimulated and challenged by Professor Evans. This has vast reaching repercussions on how the story of how a budding scientific Harry’s enters Hogwarts and quickly beco...more
I don't read much fanfic but as fanfics go this is relatively decent. I like the premise, although much more is changed than I would have expected based on the initial author's note. Quite frankly I liked the beginning much more than the later chapters; the battles between armies began to pale and humor mostly vanished as the story arcs began getting larger and more involved, sometimes to the point of being ridiculous. The complex plots are in areas poorly explained and difficult to track, and a...more
So, this fanfiction is still being written, so I can't be said to have read all of it yet. However, I have read everything that is available so far. This is my first time reading fanfiction, and I'd be interested to know how many are written by scientist-philosophers. Anyway, the Harry in this version of Harry Potter is smarter than the "real" Harry, but he starts out more insufferable, due to his penchant for infodumping. You can't blame the kid, really, he just wants to merge magic and science...more
Not only is this the best fanfiction I've ever read, it is among my favorite novels of all time, and so far I've only been able to read up to chapter 85.
This is a reimagining of the canonical novels of Harry Potter where the main character is extremely rational. Although he is a preteen, this version of Harry Potter has a mind on par with an extremely gifted 18 year old, and it shows. His nemesis, Voldemort, is similarly increased in intelligence by a dramatic amount. The Tom Riddle of this fanf...more
This is a reimagining of the canonical novels of Harry Potter where the main character is extremely rational. Although he is a preteen, this version of Harry Potter has a mind on par with an extremely gifted 18 year old, and it shows. His nemesis, Voldemort, is similarly increased in intelligence by a dramatic amount. The Tom Riddle of this fanf...more
When I read books like this, other commercially driven books often feel rushed. That is, a book must have a problem to solve and writers need to establish or address that fast. But see, sometimes I read not because of the destination, but because of the adventure. In this case, to quote Prof Quirrell, I'm curious to what Harry would do next.
So here's a book that intrigues me, makes me laugh in ungodly hours, which it's lack of predictable plot and realism doesn't bother me, and in the end, some...more
So here's a book that intrigues me, makes me laugh in ungodly hours, which it's lack of predictable plot and realism doesn't bother me, and in the end, some...more
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Eliezer Shlomo Yudkowsky is an American artificial intelligence researcher concerned with the singularity and an advocate of friendly artificial intelligence, living in Redwood City, California.
Yudkowsky did not attend high school and is an autodidact with no formal education in artificial intelligence. He co-founded the nonprofit Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence (...more
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Eliezer Shlomo Yudkowsky is an American artificial intelligence researcher concerned with the singularity and an advocate of friendly artificial intelligence, living in Redwood City, California.
Yudkowsky did not attend high school and is an autodidact with no formal education in artificial intelligence. He co-founded the nonprofit Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence (...more
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