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interesting. i think white people are already the minority. i'm in Virginia right now and I'm seeing a heavy block community not much different from Los Angeles. Ironically, I am in a coffee shop filled with white people, but I wouldn't be surprised if in 10 years time, blacks and latinos will become the majority compared to whites.
have you ever noticed how young students applying for college are encourage to play up their minority side? i'm half asian and white, and although I identify mostly white my white heritage, i have often been encouraged to play up my first generation asian side for government or employment benefits. hmm, i wonder why that is. Do you think the government and media and perpetuating this shift in paradigm as it relates to beauty and class?
I'm having a real problem figuring out how the author didn't realize how extremely racist the entire premise of this book is. I really am. I mean. It's so glaringly obvious. But she missed it. Wow.
I'm not going to question why a self-admitted priviliged white woman thinks she can write a novel about race issues, because people should be able to write whatever they want. However, I do think that the premise of your vanity-published novel sounds problematic, at best.Surely you think that racism can be shown to be wrong without making a white, blonde, blue-eyed girl the avatar for that? It's a sad state of affairs when an author thinks that a novel can only make a point about racism and prejudice if the protagonist is white. Only if the protagonist is white can readers live through the character; only if the protagonist is white can a white person understand what oppression is like; only if the protagonist is white can you make whatever point it is that you want to make.
That's sad.
It's sad that in attempting to shake up the status quo you're subscribing to it. Meryl Streep once said that the film industry believes that female audiences can live through male and female stories, but male audiences cannot empathise with a female protagonist. Your novel's central concept is a depressing confirmation of this same idea applied to race.
oh shit, and your marketing campaign is blackface. YOUR
MARKETING
CAMPAIGN
IS
BLACKFACE
How do you not realise this is racist?
I think anyone giving this author the benefit of the doubt that she didn't mean this as racist is massively deluding themselves. Obviously, this is dog-whistle politics. This book is racist. This post is racist. Full stop.
Samrat wrote: "I think anyone giving this author the benefit of the doubt that she didn't mean this as racist is massively deluding themselves. Obviously, this is dog-whistle politics. This book is racist. This p..."Also, intent has nothing to do with racism. Whether she's intending it or otherwise, she is being racist.
No. Just because this author didn't mean to be racist doesn't mean that she didn't produce a racist work. Lady, you made something racist. Please own up to it and stop the madness. Being privileged doesn't stop based on census records.
No. I don't think her intent matters, but yes, I think it is more egregious if she's also being intentionally racist but couching it as anti-racism. I agree that it would still be racist despite her intent, but I don't think the assumptions that she doesn't know her work (her book or those awful blackface trailers) is racist are far too forgiving.
Yeeeeah. Sorry I'm not reading your books. Too full of racist crap. To quote a friend:White ppl? Pearls - A pretty precious/semi-precious gem
|*| Asian ppl? Ambers - Another pretty semi-precious gem
|*| Latin@s? Tiger-eyes - Another pretty semi-precious gem. One striped w/ dark and light.
|*| Black folk? Coals - Something to be used; something which pollutes, something that rubs off on you, something not precious.
I think it's disgusting that you have taken blackface and are using it as a plot device to save the white race. That you have a video on your website with a white actress in blackface.It's racist.
I don't care that you start your post with;
"I'm white, and except for our housekeeper, everyone I knew in my hometown in the Southeast was white. It was a white world with white actors on TV and white models and white teachers and a white president. There were a few Cuban kids in my private high school, but just a few."
You know that you come from a place of great privilege. You know that your concept is racist.
"into the last patch of rainforest and the arms of a powerful beast-man she believes is her enemy, despite her overwhelming attraction to him. To survive, Eden must change -- but only if she can redefine her ideas of beauty -- and of love."
Gross
Your descriptions of race? Awful, racist.
'White people? Pearls - A pretty precious/semi-precious gem
Asian people? Ambers - Another pretty semi-precious gem
Latin people? Tiger-eyes - Another pretty semi-precious gem. One striped w/ dark and light.
Black people? Coals - Something to be used; something which pollutes, something that rubs off on you, something not precious.
"And yes, I did this list in this order on purpose. It’s the author’s chosen names, I only organized it according to current valuing of the materials.Turns the tables on racism my left tit. All this story does is expose the writer’s racism in stark, honking, stinking relief and their belief that anyone in the minority SHOULD be doing everything possible to appeal to the majority and fit in with them.'
I’m not even touching a world full of PoC who’re obsessed with mating at an early/young age. Someone else can deal with that. My blood pressure says no"
Again, how you can present a video like that in today's world and even pretend it isn't racist is ridiculous.
It's actually appalling how glaringly racist this is and the author has seemingly deluded herself into thinking she's somehow helping people 'overcome' racism. I am so sick of white people thinking we live in some kind of post-racial society.
I am shamed to live in a world where this book would be published, and where people would believe this book is not racist. This blog flat out admits living in a world of complete privilege, and yet the author seems to have no clue how privileged her life is, which is something we could all examine -- and that this book does not force you to think about at all. The answer to your own question about harboring fears is that it's clear you do. I just can't even handle responding anymore.
I am ashamed that I live in a world where someone thought it was a good idea to publish this book. Frankly I'm shocked that a publisher was dumb enough to take this book on. It's racist.
I have to admit, you baffle me, Victoria Foyt. You create a book where blackface is a major plot point, but still pat yourself on the back super hard because you believe you have created something that "combats racism." You are not combating racism. You are perpetuating it, with your ideas (intended or not) that echo what white supremacists have been saying since being white was a thing. You create a series where dark-skinned people are the highest echelons of society, but use "coal" to describe them. No, not just "coal," but "Coal", capitalization and all. At first I thought: why would a privileged group choose a term that connotes dirtiness and pollution to refer to themselves? But then you so kindly revealed to me that Coal is, in fact, a slur that Eden had been using to refer to her dark skinned superiors. You think you are combating racism, but your main character routinely uses racial slurs to describe black people in casual conversation.And another thing. Jet, onyx, obsidian--all three of those are semiprecious black stones, to match pearl, tiger-eye, and amber. And that's just off the top of my head. Come on, this isn't that hard.
You even named your main character Eden, which obviously symbolizes the biblical Garden of Eden: pure, paradisaical, and routinely whitewashed by our white supremacist society. Really, Victoria, really? Is this intentional symbolism? Because if it is then I should give you even less credit than I do now.
There is a trend I have noticed recently, and that trend is the reversal of oppression in media. Oh, let's teach the straight people about why heterosexism/homophobia is bad by making a society where gay is the norm and straight is "deviant!" Oh, let's teach the white people about why racism is bad by making a society where "Coal" is the norm and "Pearl" is undesirable!
No, let's not.
The problem with this thinking, and one of the many, many glaring problems with your book, is that it erases the centuries of history that black people have of oppression and prejudice. It erases all those icky history lessons about the way white people treat EVERYONE ELSE. It erases everything, and there is nothing, NOTHING, more dehumanizing and degrading and horrifying and crushing and belittling and wrenching than being told by omission that your experiences as a person and as a culture do not matter to the point where they can be handwaved away in order for a member of the group that routinely oppresses yours to feel good about herself.
Victoria Foyt, you have no idea what it is like to be part of a racial minority. You know how you're told in kindergarten, after you fought with your classmate, to try and walk a mile in their shoes? You are mentally, emotionally, psychologically, socially, and culturally absolutely forever and ever INCAPABLE of walking even an INCH in the shoes of a person who is a member of a racial minority. You will never have those experiences. You will never be able to understand. Do not appropriate the experiences of individuals in order to try and make a point, or make a stir, or make a shitty vanity-published YA book.
By the way, did your book actually win awards? Hmm.
Oh, I'm not done yet. Let's think for a second. What would happen if "The Heat" descended upon us right now, today? OH, that's right, everyone who is outdoors would get incinerated. Guess who has most of the strong, sturdy houses? Oh yeah, WHITE PEOPLE~! So there's that. Guess who also has the most money to build shelters, materials available to research cures and protection, and access to resources that will make sure that their wellbeing is preserved? Ding ding ding! WHITE PEOPLE. Your little bit about people with more melanin being more resistant to extreme sunlight? White people would use that as an excuse as to why black people should do all the work building the shelters, and also as an excuse as to why black people should be the last ones considered for any help. That's the way our society works in America circa 2012. So you don't get any points there either.
Back to the whole "your main character HAS to run around in blackface all the time because REASONS" thing. Hahahahahahahahhahaha no. Ever realize how a black car shimmers more in the summer? Ever realize how a black shirt makes you hotter than a white one? It's because dark hues absorb more heat than light ones. The light is absorbed rather than reflected. So all that black paint that ~Eden~ walks around in? Would have her cooking even faster. Did you do any research, or do you just hate science? Why must you hate science, Victoria Foyt?
Oh wait still not done yet. Why is it that they all have to "mate" (ahahahahaa) so young? Why are they so obsessed with it? Who monitors/assigns the "mate-rate?" Are you aware of that oh-so-treasured literary tradition of painting black women as promiscuous and distasteful because of it? Are you aware of the constant and pervasive way that black men are characterized as "brutal" and "savage" and "animalistic," and are you aware that those three words are exactly how you are promoting your male romantic lead? Do you realize that in the first eight pages of your novel you introduced one character of color who is a fat black woman named Peach, for god's sake, and described another black woman as "voluptuous?" Are you aware that you actually penned a novel in which the first eight pages have your oh-so-oppressed white main character yearn for the "good old days" when being white meant you were basically set for life at the expense of all the other races in the world(aka our society right now)? Why did you feel the need to have said main character other every single dark skinned character with a snidely italicized "them," even though she theoretically grew up in a society where she should be the other and should never have learned this behavior characteristic of our own racist habits? Why do I have so many questions for you?
Here's a hint: it's because you have created a world in which America circa 2012 is idyllic, and even as a white girl myself (seventeen just like Eden!!!!!) I can recognize that notion as pure, 100% unadulterated organic BULLSHIT.
Your story? BULLSHIT. Your beliefs that apparently staunchly echo those you have put to paper? BULLSHIT. The satisfaction you feel at the work you have produced? BULLSHIT.
So, in answer to your question, no. No, I do not think that your story represents a possible future scenario. Because privilege is not about statistics. Privilege is not about numbers on paper and the fears of irrelevancy swirling in the minds of white people. Privilege is about people like you, who blunder through life seeing themselves as the hero and never look in their wake to see the result of heroics. Privilege is about people like me, who can expect to be considered for jobs and considered for "mating" and considered for positions of leadership without proving myself time and time again to an unmerciful judge, jury, and executioner that exists as a miasma above me, never daring to touch me or reveal itself. You claim to recognize your privilege, but I think you need to take a good long look at yourself and reevaluate a few things. Because as it stands you have offended many people and you look like the worst kind of fool.
Congratu-fucking-lations.
Hannah wrote: "I'm having a real problem figuring out how the author didn't realize how extremely racist the entire premise of this book is. I really am. I mean. It's so glaringly obvious. But she missed it. Wow."She's obsessed with being "color-blind" with seemingly no indication of the implications and privilege of that kind of thinking.
Amy wrote: "I have to admit, you baffle me, Victoria Foyt. You create a book where blackface is a major plot point, but still pat yourself on the back super hard because you believe you have created something..."This comment is everything I wanted to say but couldn't put into words.
Amy wrote: "I have to admit, you baffle me, Victoria Foyt. You create a book where blackface is a major plot point, but still pat yourself on the back super hard because you believe you have created something..."Bravo. Honestly. I was all prepped to post my own comment here. Now I see there is no need. Well done, you.
Amy wrote: "I have to admit, you baffle me, Victoria Foyt. You create a book where blackface is a major plot point, but still pat yourself on the back super hard because you believe you have created something..."Thank God, someone wrote this post. Idk how someone who campaigns blackface for a book think they're accepting and not racist. People are so ignorant nowadays and I cannot wait for this book to flop.
Your book is incredibly racist, don't try and pretend like you're doing the world some service by theorizing some post-apocoliptic society. Here are just a few of the things that piss me off about you and your book:- The marketing campaign is blackface, oh what a champion of racial acceptance you are.
- Pearls = White, Coals = Dark skinned?? If you can't see the issue with referring to whites as precious and valuable gem while non-whites are something considered dirty then you have a serious fucking problem.
- Interracial relationships are described as a "Beauty and the Beast" story by the author herself. Again, thank you for embracing "people of many different ethnicities and cultures" so well.
- Lastly, and one of the things that pisses me off the most, is the idea that a society dominated by POC would rapidly deteriorate into a much more primitive world where people who aren't mated get left to die, just because.
So, Victoria Foyt, kindly go fuck yourself and never write anything ever again.
Niki wrote: "interesting. i think white people are already the minority. i'm in Virginia right now and I'm seeing a heavy block community not much different from Los Angeles. Ironically, I am in a coffee shop f..."Lol, your privilege is showing. Your whole statement is conflicting and you don't seem to understand that the whole idea of minority and majority isn't about numbers, it's about privilege. While in 10 years there may be more people of colour wherever you live, it doesn't matter that there are more of them, they will still be the minority.
Amy wrote: "I have to admit, you baffle me, Victoria Foyt. You create a book where blackface is a major plot point, but still pat yourself on the back super hard because you believe you have created something..."
Wow, thank you, Amy and everyone else who isn't blind to Victoria Foyt's stupidity.
Hannah wrote: "I'm having a real problem figuring out how the author didn't realize how extremely racist the entire premise of this book is. I really am. I mean. It's so glaringly obvious. But she missed it. Wow."It's KKK territory.
I just found out about her book, but first I dont even have words for this little blog post....well, maybe some that aren't nice, but I can't believe what I just read.
If people of colour are in the majority, WHY IN THE HELL would they call themselves coals? seriously? how is that *not* racist? onyx, maybe. a nice gem, perhaps?
"I'm white, and except for our housekeeper, everyone I knew in my hometown in the Southeast was white."I'm gonna stop you right there.
Really. Like, how could you possibly think this was going to go well? How could you believe that you, a self-admitted privileged white women, think you are capable of writing a book that claims to "turn the tables on racism"?
Here's the answer - you can't. This has been made glaringly obvious. Also, here's a hint: if your marketing campaign uses BLACKFACE, you are racist. Plain and simple.
For the record, the premise of the races being reversed and whites being oppressed has already been done (and better!) by Malorie Blackman in this book:
I can't even...WHAT?I stay out of this usual author kerfluffl-wtf-ery but really, you are the most vile human being I've ever heard of.
Disguising a blatantly racist book by marketing it under the false concept of it being a look at racism?
Here's a clue for you:
a) you realize there's beautiful black gems, right? Idiot!
b) WTF would the world devolve into this dystopia? Because black people run it? This is an argument for a story NOT being racist? WTF?
c) WHITE PEARL?
I cannot even CONTEMPLATE THE SHEER WTFery GOING THROUGH MY HEAD ABOUT YOU!
Congratuations, you've made this writer INCOHERENT!
I have no words. Only yelling!
Your ignorance is appalling, please take time to try and educate yourself (at least go read up on 'black face' and why it's incredibly offensive). Your book is racist, and I suppose, so are you since you wrote it and don't seem to realize how racist it is. You're far too privileged to even realize that "not seeing color" is wrong because it sweeps huge issues under the rug like it's nothing. Yes, let's just "not see it" and then it will magically cease to exist! Only white people "don't see color" because they never have to deal with any issues pertaining color, period. White and in the minority? Cry me a river. No wonder you don't recognize actual, real issues of today since all your focus seems to be on poor, white, privileged YOU. Let me call you a whaaaambulance.
Honestly? Your views are disgusting and your book is extremely offensive. Maybe, just maybe, you should try reading books and educating yourself before actually attempting to write one. Your lack of common sense, logic, general knowledge and many other such things, is showing.
Let me be blunt - you look like an idiot.
The concept might have been workable. But the execution, and the use of blackface in the campaign, is absolutely terrible. This can and should have been avoided way before publication by seeking even a cursory beta by someone who a) is black or b) has enough common sense and basic empathy with black people to actually think through the ramifications of the terrible execution or failing that c) ANYONE not entirely clueless about racism and colorism.
Samrat wrote: "I think anyone giving this author the benefit of the doubt that she didn't mean this as racist is massively deluding themselves. Obviously, this is dog-whistle politics. This book is racist. This p..."I couldn't agree more with what Samrat said.
Victoria, not to put too fine a point on it: if people of color tell you that you're being racist, then you need to LISTEN TO THEM.
Essentially, you've titled your book: Save the White People. I find it very difficult to believe that you aren't hoping to reinforce the fears of racist white people. If, by some amazingly huge ignorance on your part, you aren't actually proud to be a racist? Please consider this your wake-up call and go educate yourself.
I think that because you are focusing so much on trying to "combat racism", as you put it, for many people (such as myself) you are talking about a gap that is not even there. By making skin color such an explicit part of your book you are essentially emphasizing the idea that there is or used to be differences between black and white people, when I for one disagree. Humanity was stupid enough to discriminate at some point, thankfully most of us have realized how completely ridiculous this was. This book, however, seems to try to make up or justify for said mistakes in a totally offensive manner.
I like to imagine a caramel-colored future where racial lines are indistinct and issues of prejudice a thing of the past. I have to be honest here, this part is problematic for me. The solution to racism is NOT to do away with "racial lines" and somehow lump everybody into the same generic pool. Suggesting that the cure to racism is the erasure of the contributions and histories of minority groups seems like a pretty privileged and patronizing stance, honestly.
Amy wrote: "I have to admit, you baffle me, Victoria Foyt. You create a book where blackface is a major plot point, but still pat yourself on the back super hard because you believe you have created something..."Thank you so much for this. I had no words upon seeing this book, that's how shocked and disgusted I was. I just... no. I think you really said it all.
Amy wrote: "I have to admit, you baffle me, Victoria Foyt. You create a book where blackface is a major plot point, but still pat yourself on the back super hard because you believe you have created something..."ILU
Wow. This... this happened, everyone. Just wow.Hey guys I found Eden Newman in stores:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7a...
Sooo I guess what she's saying is because she donated money to Obama's campaign then it's ok to write a horribly racist pos?
Amy wrote: "I have to admit, you baffle me, Victoria Foyt. You create a book where blackface is a major plot point, but still pat yourself on the back super hard because you believe you have created something..."Wow, you have more writing talent in your little finger, Amy, than this author has in her body...even in an angry rant you are able to use logic! Amazing. You rock. Well said. And Foyt? Please don't write any more 'novels'.
are you kidding me with this? So the 'black people have all the power' yet they call themselves coal and every other race gets a gem? White people are undesirable yet they are 'pearls' You think racism is just about mating and jobs? You clearly have no idea how racism works or how it really affects people. Also your view of how Latinos look like is incredibly misguided, you DO realize that there are Afro-Latinos? I'm Latina and guess what I'm darker than your little 'J-LO' and 'Selena Gomez' girls. There are also people of Asian ancestry who are Latinos. My father is an Afro-Latino, so would he be a coal or a tiger-eye? This whole book is nonsensical and extremely insulting. You're not pivoting views on racism, you're perpetuating racism. Your heroine... a slender able-bodied white girl, you wonder if in a terrible future she won't be seen as the 'ideal'? THAT'S your concern? How about the fact that it's happening NOW with people who are not white, skin bleaching has become a multi million dollar industry, many of us feel ostracized and ugly because of the beauty standards Western society has imposed on the rest of the world. But I guess it's only a tragedy when it happens to a cute little white girl? You have an incredibly ignorant view on the world. I will not continue this because 1. you won't read it 2. even if you read it, you clearly don't give a shit and 3. There are TOO many things wrong with your perspective.
Amy wrote: "I have to admit, you baffle me, Victoria Foyt. You create a book where blackface is a major plot point, but still pat yourself on the back super hard because you believe you have created something..."This comment is perfection.
Saint Victoria, I hope you are feeling very proud of yourself right now--very, very proud of yourself. In fact, why don't you take it easy and relax, since you've clearly exerted yourself to write a refreshing, groundbreaking novel of the trials and tribulations of the poor, beautiful white girl?I'm sure you didn't think that your drivel would be considered racist. Oh, no, especially not when you decided to fix the tag of 'coals' onto black people. So the ozone layer is depleted, you say? I'm assuming you've watched An Inconvenient Truth, because the inconvenient truth here is that your world's problems ride on the coattails of burning too many fossil fuels, the depletion of the ozone layer, and other environmental nasties.
I suppose you must have forgotten that coal was a fossil fuel, then. Or maybe you conveniently looked the other way when your editor suggested, "Gee, Saint Vic, what if people think that black people are the direct cause of white peoples' problems? White people die because of the very troubles that our good pal Al Gore told us about a few years ago."
Wow... first off, it's not blackface in the book! Here's Wikipedia's def. of blackface:Blackface is a form of theatrical makeup used in minstrel shows, and later vaudeville, in which performers create a stereotyped caricature of a black person. The practice gained popularity during the 19th century and contributed to the proliferation of stereotypes such as the "happy-go-lucky darky on the plantation" or the "dandified coon".[1] In 1848, blackface minstrel shows were the national art of the time, translating formal art such as opera into popular terms for a general audience.
This is in no way what the author did in Revealing Eden... She didn't make a 'stereotyped caracature' at all!! The 'midnight luster' from the book was used as a device to show that eden thought her white skin was ugly... SHE WANTS TO BE BLACK BECAUSE BLACK SKIN IS BEAUTIFUL. later in the book she realizes that EVERYONE IS BEAUTIFUL ON THE INSIDE. That's the whole premise of the book. That's what you should take away from it. period. everything else is just BS...
The character Bramford turns into a half jaguar probably because the author thought that werewolves and vampires were played out. THAT'S IT. There's no underlying racist propaganda message being pushed. it's that werewolves were played out. She wanted to do something different.
When you're writing a book, if there's no conflict there's no story. Yeah Ms. Foyt went about addressing issues in an edgy manner but to me that was what was different and intriguing about it...
I don't get why no one is really analyzing this correctly?
Thomas wrote: "Wow... first off, it's not blackface in the book! "No, but it is blackface in the mocking way she filmed trailers on youtube.
Thomas, I think you need to take a step back and really listen to what POC are saying here. Read the comments and try to figure out the entirety of the problem. It is not just blackface people are complaining about.
There are a myriad of problems with this book, not the least of which is casting a white character in the role of victim against her black oppressors.
They're referred to as "Coals".
They are continuously described in animalistic terminology.
The main protagonist calls the ruling class "THEM".
At one point, Eden refers to another dark-skinned girl as "haughty" which is a pseudonym for "uppity". I think you need to look up the history of that word and its use against African Americans.
The book itself speaks about how the ruling class is considered beautiful and they are the upper echelon, yet Eden not only mocks them, she feels superior/better than them. That's a direct contradiction of the way that world is supposed to be portrayed.
Save the Pearls- Pearls refers to skin color--the white people. Save the Whites. This is a white supremacist slogan. Check out John King, spokesman for the Save White People campaign. The whole premise of that movement is that white people are disappearing and when that happens, the new majority (nonwhites) will oppress the white man. Does that strike you as something similar to this book, Thomas?
Educate yourself, Thomas.
Wow...so Victoria Foyt is not even able to come into this thread as herself and address the overwhelming comments. No, she had to go and create a new "Thomas" account (or ask friend) to white-knight for herself. I see "Thomas" seems to have some deep knowledge on just what Victoria Foyt's thought process was like when writing her "book". Next he'll tell us he's a telepath.



